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[entelin]

It doesn't matter if I construct a ceiling over an outdoor plot right it will still grow? Out of curiosity would doing so allow you do grow outdoor crops in freezing climates?

Thanks.

[entelin]

What about honey bee hives?

[Vagabond.]

It doesn't matter if I construct a ceiling over an outdoor plot right it will still grow? Out of curiosity would doing so allow you do grow outdoor crops in freezing climates?

Thanks.

Hives, I don't know.
However, building a roof over the area after channaling out the roof will, indeed, allow you to build your outdoor farms indoors. It's also useful for setting up areas of your base as light areas to prevent Darkness Adaptation.

[Lielac]

What about honey bee hives?

Hives need to be on or adjacent to an 'outdoor' tile, I believe. The wiki says In order to house bees, a hive must be constructed on or adjacent to a tile that is above ground, but I think it's specifically outdoor, so no roofs allowed. Grates would be acceptable, though, I think...

Science!

[Laurin]

Bees can pass through grates, so that grants a bit of protection.
I have never tried, but since spiders can get through fortifications (or do they just spawn on the other side?), honey bees should also be able to pass through. You could carve a fortification row and behind it channeled otside tiles covered with roofs.

[hiroshi42]

Bees will be happy under a roof, so long as the area is not labeled subterranean.  There is a reason the wiki specifies 'above ground' since outside implies not having a roof.  The only building I know of that needs to be built 'outside' as opposed to above ground is windmills.

Oh and I think temperature is not affected by making a roof, but pools will not evaporate, nor will grass become 'dry'

More on outside, inside above ground, subterranean and light can be found here

[Xinael]

do they just spawn on the other side?

Yes, they spawn on the other side. You don't even need a fortification, they'll spawn in your fort if a walled- or floored-off passageway is close enough to the edge.

[Laurin]

The article on fortification makes it clear, that creatures can't pass through fortifications:
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Fortification

[Sutremaine]

Vermin aren't classed as creatures for this purpose. They randomly flick in and out of existence within a range of tiles, and don't respect terrain within that range of tiles.

[Laurin]

True. Probably the hives don't need the bees that can be seen on the map, they may be only decoration.

Some science is required. Will hives behind fortification walls produce honey?

[GiglameshDespair]

 I remember seeing a design for a beehive building, as it were, that supposedly allowed bees access to outside while keeping enemies from entering or attacking.

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#OOO#
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#####Where + = floor
          F = fortification
          # = wall
          O = hive
          > = downwards stair
          .  = open space

From what i remember, the person who designed it said it worked and they generated honey without threat of attack.

[Kaos]

Aren't you missing the point here? it's a freezing biome, unless you have another non-freezing biome in the same map, how are you going to get bees to put in your beehive in the first place? AFAIK you can't import them so you'll need at least one natural beehive so your beekeeper gets the first colony from and then wait to split the colony from your artificial hives if there are no more...

Can you have an adventurer "seed" a starting beehive?