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[Gamerlord]

Let's give the serfs another right; if they can beat an orc in one on one close combat, they get an orc's rights.

[10ebbor10]

Let's give the serfs another right; if they can beat an orc in one on one close combat, they get an orc's rights.

Won't work. Why would they want Orc rights. Besides I highly doubt we could get away with that.

Still voting for my 3 step: natural, people and civilian law system. With both elven and orcish civilian law.

[Jembot]

I also vote for ebbors 3 step system

[escaped lurker]

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In the end, the elves will be treated by orcish law, only quite a bit stricter.  .... You also make it clear that any lower matters are to be decided between the parties - a point that your kin obviously likes far better than the elves do. The later seem to at least appreciate the thought of having some laws, a step above their current situation.

... Alanor seems very undecided, mostly fearing retalitation from the other elves. You assure him that this would be treated along the lines of having attacked an orc, at wich he changes his opinion to broad approval. ...

Ideas for a law structure(based on Roman stuff)
1. Orc Citizen Law
     -This is a list of benefits and such orcs and only them can get. The entire tattoo stuff is included in this, as well as other stuff.
1. Elf citizen Law (needs rename)
     -These are the laws the more loyal elves are allowed to follow. Contains benefits and the like. Mostly benefited
2. Universal Law
     -This part of law is universal for all people.
3. Law of nature
     -If you want to be methaphorical, and sue a rabbit or something.

When a conflict happens between multiple law groups, the highest common law system is used. Ie, a conflict between and Orc and an Elf citizen is handled under universal Law.

We actually have something close already in place. The elves are treated according to orcish law - only stricter.  "Peoples Law"
The Serfs have laws and rights close to that of the orcs. Wich obviously always will remain a step above. "Civilian Law"
Orcs are quite unburocratic, so they would either settle matters by themselves, fall back onto the laws, or in serious cases look to their current chieftain or liege for a decision. The orcish "Civilian Law" doubles as "Universal law", and orcs would probably just start to laugh at the mention of natural law.

Anywas, changing the current laws would do nothing much, as they are not even what the whole matter is about. The problem is that the orcs are "mobbing" your serfs. Or rather, do treat them as if they were elven "slaves". Wich all others pretty much are, according to orcish laws. Well, untill you granted them "civilian rights" back then.

To be honest, I think about leaving this thread to itself - While I certainly had my fun with this, the whole style of writing was too word-heavy and while the plot itself was satisfying, the system behind the game was severly lacking. Or rather, if I prepare another game like this at a later point in time, I am very likely to make a different approach about rolls, attributes, abilities and random encounter-stuff. While the lore - with orcs being quite unhuman in several points - was also very fun and in my opinion a "charming point" of the story, it suffered from the same fate as the rest of the story - too wordheavy and detailed. Sometimes less is really more.

I took multiple liberties with the style of writing every now and then, and take certain results with me. Like mentioned, if I should get into the mood again I very well might pull up another similiar game - I certainly have quite a lot of ideas for improving the miss-managed parts of this setting, with a few new implementations. For now thou I would like to concentrate on the quite more prefered familiar-thread and expanding my capabilities a bit further before attempting to try it. As I do get more able at using programs to do the real drawing for me, the new version could - or should - certainly include more maps - maybe even of the city, and other graphic supplements.

It was a very good learning-experience, and I am thankfull to those of you who participatedch - the "lurkers" also get my thanks, as the view-count was certainly also due to them. All in all, it was a nice welcome to my "active" role in this part of the forum, and certainly influenced my extended stay in here. In that sense;

Thank you very much.