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[Jervill]

Sappho, by creating this thread, did you gain experience in Speechcraft skill?

[LordBucket]

That has to be one of the worst examples ever.

Maybe, but it was the most memorable example given in the presentation.

[Muz]

You might find this handy, though:
https://habitrpg.com/

Might even be relevant to the topic, since it can be used to prototype point rewards and stuff.

[Skold]

I'm principaly against basing the value of my efforts/life on the judgement or reactions of others, so I doubt this is anything for me.

Am I the only one who loathes arbitrary reward systems?

Also, this.

[Korbac]

I think a points - based system would be useful to me, not for a 'Ooh! If I practice guitar I get +10 points!' type of thing, but for more of a 'I haven't gotten any points from guitar this week at all, so I better rectify that.'

It makes it harder to fool myself that things don't matter, basically.

[Sappho]

Sorry guys, went away to Switzerland for a bit. Back now and I have the rest of the week off work, so I'm going to try to be more active. It seems that a few other people are interested in at least giving this a try, so I'll go on ahead.

My current short-term goals are:
"easy"
1. Clean and organize living-room cabinets.
2. Clean and organize kitchen cabinets and table.
3. Clean all surfaces in the apartment (LR, kitchen, bathroom)
4. Vacuum/mop all floors
5. Bring all recycling to the containers down the street
6. Clean out the fridge
7. Practice Taiji every day
8. Watch Taiji instruction DVDs from my teacher at least 30 min a day (more work than it sounds like)

"medium"
1. Find a better organizational system for my stuff (there's too much stuff permanently lying around on tables and in piles in the corner)
2. Complete at least one painting or drawing (not just doodles)
3. Spend at least half a day hiking in Divoka Sarka
4. Do all my shopping, including finding a wok, a new pair of slippers for work, and a pair of "indoor shoes" for taiji classes (so far I'm going in my socks)

Don't think I have any "hard" ones for the moment. Will think longer-term when I get some of this stuff sorted. I suppose I could combine some of the "easy" cleaning ones into a "medium" one, but I might be more motivated to do each individual task if I can cross something off the list more often.

Thanks for the link, Muz! I'm going to check that out right now.

I propose for the moment that "easy" tasks be worth 5 points each and "medium" ones 15. With 8 easy goals (40 points) and 4 medium (60 points) that's 100 for the week. I think that's a good general rule: 100 points per week, distributed how you like. I'll plan to add it all up on Sunday afternoon. Anyone else who wants to give it a try, post your lists. I'll start a running tally for everyone in the first post at the end of the week and we can discuss whether it's working as a motivational tool, and if we want to change anything.

EDIT: Progress

Spoiler: Wednesday (click to show/hide)

Clean and organize living room cabinets: 5 points
Taiji practice: yes
Taiji video: yes
Shopping: everything except slippers/shoes (might finish this one tomorrow)
Total for the day: 5

Spoiler: Thursday (click to show/hide)

Clean out fridge: 5 points
Clean and organize kitchen cabinets: 5 points (I originally wanted to do the table too but the cabinets alone took me all afternoon, so I'm counting it. I finished the table after all and it looks great!)
Taiji practice: yes
Taiji video: yes
Total for the day: 10

Spoiler: Friday (click to show/hide)

Surfaces: 5 points
Recycling: 5 points
Floors: 5 points
Shopping: 15 points
Better organize stuff: 15 points
Taiji + Video: yes
Total: 45 points

Running total: 60

New idea: I think that "daily" tasks should work a bit differently. Sometimes there's just no way you can do it on one or two particular days, and it seems silly to throw out the rest of the week just because of that (not to mention the motivation to do it the rest of the week is gone). So how about for each day a "daily" task is missed, you lose 1 point. If you do it all 7 days of the week, it's 5 points, if you miss 1 day it's 4, and so on.

[Sappho]

Just want to give this a bump and say that this seems to be doing well for a first try. It's not the points motivating me quite so much as the simple having a list of things to cross off. I've spent the past 3 days focused almost entirely on doing the things on the list (mostly cleaning and shopping) and I'm feeling pretty good. My apartment hasn't been so clean and tidy since I moved in!

If anyone else is interested we can keep track together. Otherwise I'll have to hope that keeping detailed to-do lists will be enough to keep me going on my own.

[RedKing]

Just want to give this a bump and say that this seems to be doing well for a first try. It's not the points motivating me quite so much as the simple having a list of things to cross off. I've spent the past 3 days focused almost entirely on doing the things on the list (mostly cleaning and shopping) and I'm feeling pretty good. My apartment hasn't been so clean and tidy since I moved in!

If anyone else is interested we can keep track together. Otherwise I'll have to hope that keeping detailed to-do lists will be enough to keep me going on my own.

Do you award yourself points for making and updating lists of things to do? 

[Sappho]

Ha, I probably should. Actually I signed up for an account on that Habit RPG site but it seemed like it would take too long to set it up for it to be worthwhile. Just making a quick list, assigning "points" for a slight motivation boost, and getting to work seems to be enough for now. I know I'd be more motivated if I wasn't doing it all on my own though!

[Fenrir]

I’ll play, though I have lately giving more thought to my privacy and giving so little information as I can, but I suppose I could be accused of excess in this case.


1. [11] ████ all 172 ███████.
2. [10] Write the ████████ on all 172 ███████.
3.  [9] Re█████ the defective ███████.
4.  [8] Implement a system to █████████████████████████████ and █████████ for ███████ to arbitrary ██████████.
5.  [7] Write ███████████.
6.  [6] Order a █████████████.
7.  [6] Create ██████████ with the Department of State ███████.
8.  [6] ████████ an ███████ on ███████████████, █████████████████████, and ██████████████████.
9.  [5] Get a █████████ account.
10. [4] Run the ██████ in ████████████.
11. [3] Burn or discard all of the █████ from ███████████████.
12. [2] Put the █████ and the █████████ in the ███████.
13. [1] ████ all of your ██████.

[0.1/min.]
1. ███████.
2. ████.


I have ordered these by importance, not difficulty, and some of them are prerequisites for others. Numbers in brackets are points. Those two tasks at the bottom are perpetual, and I shall give myself one decipoint for every minute spent occupied with them.

Edited on 18-02-2013
So it looks like this will be Fenrir’s pseudo-secret To-Do list in the depths of the forums. 19 points for me.