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[ExecratedDwarf]

Racial slurs have always been considered unacceptable. They were used primarily by the uneducated lower classes. The educated avoided their use because even when they first evolved through misspellings and mispronunciations they were considered slang. And a portmanteau is only such if it's recognized as an acceptable part of a region's language. Moar is not an accepted part of any language. And also, an ad hominem is what's called a logical fallacy. If I was to say that you, reelya, don't even know what an ad hominem is, so how can you possibly be good at DF? Then that would be an ad hominem. It's an attempt to persuade people that someone is incapable of this because they're incapable at that. Even if this and that are completely unrelated.

[ExecratedDwarf]

And I do like how I was accused of being a troll just because my name has a "big word" in it. It illustrates my argument beautifully that the use of internet slang has denegrated the English language. To attempt to discredit my argument simply because I used Execrated instead of MOARhated is exactly what I'm talking about.

[Reelya]

There is no definition of portmanteau that requires the words to be an established part of a regional dialect. That's not part of the definition of portmanteau. To illustrate, look at the origin of the term portmanteau itself:

The word "portmanteau" was first used in this context by Lewis Carroll in the book Through the Looking-Glass (1871),[4] in which Humpty Dumpty explains to Alice the coinage of the unusual words in Jabberwocky,[9] where "slithy" means "lithe and slimy" and "mimsy" is "flimsy and miserable"[...]
Humpty Dumpty's theory, of two meanings packed into one word like a portmanteau, seems to me the right explanation for all. For instance, take the two words "fuming" and "furious". Make up your mind that you will say both words, but leave it unsettled which you will say first ... if you have the rarest of gifts, a perfectly balanced mind, you will say "frumious".[9]

Slithy, mimsy, frumious - these are examples used by the author who coined the term portmanteau. You've made an unsubstantiated claim about the meaning of portmanteau. Are these really any more "estabilished" than "moar". Decidely less so. And "regional" can and should mean any sub-culture or group. It doesn't have to be geographical.

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BTW, I know exactly what an ad hominem attack is, and you have used that tactic repeatedly within this thread:

Is it really so hard to spell "more" correctly. Every time I read a post by someone who thinks its cool to have misspelled a word I get the image of a 13 year old that probably likes anime porn.

- Here, you insinuated that user Naryar was akin to "a 13 year old that probably likes anime porn", because you disagreed with something he wrote, which was unrelated to your insult.

No I don't care what you think. Just stop posting links to cartoon network gone wild please.

- Here you make a false negative accusation against Naryar, to dismiss an point he made, unrelated to your put-down. That's pure ad hominem.

I doubt there are very many deliberate attempts at being moronic. I'm pretty sure it just comes naturally.

- Someone disagrees with you, so you basically issue a thinly veiled "you are a moron" statement.

Well you just refuted the theory that Dwarf Fortress attracts a more educated crowd.

- Snarky, unnecassarily flame-bait. And a definite ad hominem - because you've used that to discredit a point you disagreed with.

Really, relying on ad hominems doesn't leave a good impression.

[Helgrin]

And a portmanteau is only such if it's recognized as an acceptable part of a region's language.

It is a part of the "region's" language. It's a part of Bay 12's accepted jargon. Language evolves, and here it has evolved so that "moar" is a word used when people want to communicate the word "more" with an animalistic inflection, that implies a need for more things rather than a demand, in an amusing way so that they aren't being percieved as being impolite.

It has also evolved so that "execrated" means that you know a rare word and are showing off.

[Numeroid]

And a portmanteau is only such if it's recognized as an acceptable part of a region's language. Moar is not an accepted part of any language.

What do you mean? Guys is there an English language council that sits down and decides what words are acceptable or not?

lol

Pretty sure languages just evolve on their own, dude

[Fishybang]

How is this thread not locked yet?

[Loud Whispers]

Guys is there an English language council that sits down and decides what words are acceptable or not?

Heh.

Though they don't act on what is acceptable/unacceptable, they decide upon what parts of language is currently used and what will remain in usage. Guesswork really.

[Gentlefish]

Lol. I think ExecratedDwarf lost.

Pack your bags, dude. This debate is over.

Of course, knowing the type, he's going to want the last words. Anyway, to contribute to the thread. . . What was the topic again?

Oh yeah. Volcanoes. Check the worldgen cookbook thread, there's a bunch of really good volcanoes in there. And if you want to generate your own, they're little ^'s on the map and a double tilde on the screen. They're really fun.

[enizer]

regular maps have something like 3 volcanoes, i love volcanoes, so i use the advanced map gen, make a manual profile where i up volcanoes to 200

[ExecratedDwarf]

I never thought I'd win an argument about language with people that think "moar" is an acceptable word. That doesn't make me wrong. If you tell a drug addict that drugs are bad, and he goes on to argue that they're a part of his culture, does that mean heroin is good for him? A correct example of a portmanteau is "ginormous." In American English it is considered slang, it has no accepted definition or use. In British English, however, it is perfectly acceptable. And no, the things I said were not ad hominems. They were simply insults. There are, actually, a number of English language councils that work to update our language with words that fill a role that was either empty or was previously filled by a less suitable word. None of those respected groups recognize the internet as a region. And actually they agree with me. Many of the people on the language councils are also teachers and professors and they've reported an increase in students failing English courses due to the use of internet slang.

[jrmy]

I never thought I'd win an argument about language with people that think "moar" is an acceptable word. That doesn't make me wrong. If you tell a drug addict that drugs are bad, and he goes on to argue that they're a part of his culture, does that mean heroin is good for him? A correct example of a portmanteau is "ginormous." In American English it is considered slang, it has no accepted definition or use. In British English, however, it is perfectly acceptable. And no, the things I said were not ad hominems. They were simply insults. There are, actually, a number of English language councils that work to update our language with words that fill a role that was either empty or was previously filled by a less suitable word. None of those respected groups recognize the internet as a region. And actually they agree with me. Many of the people on the language councils are also teachers and professors and they've reported an increase in students failing English courses due to the use of internet slang.

Too bad your peerless command of the english language hasn't helped you to stick to this topic's original discussion.

[TruePikachu]

I already know what the results of sending a vessel to the bottom of the Magma Sea will be. SMR forms the very bottom of the Magma Sea, and is special in that it will happily absorb and destroy anything that enters the tile (due to gravity).

Now, assuming the SMR was not SMR, when everything hits the bottom, it will basically form a cave-in, killing any occupants and destroying any contents. In fact, you would get the cave-in message once you detach the vessel.

Dwarven Physics does not consider pieces of rock in the shape of a submarine, but rather as a set of rocks. It is one of the many quirks that Dwarven Physics has.