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[toboo123]

Recently I had an idea for a kind of "multiplayer" (if that's what you would call it) battle mode involving each player building a team using points. The objective is to kill the other teams helpless unit and be the last team with their unit alive, I was thinking a cod placed in shallow water for the unit and it seems to work quit well for the purpose, but if you have better ideas I'm happy to hear them.

Points

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This is the main thing I'm gonna need help for, we can probably use the embark for a guide on how much equipment costs, skills could just be standard 5 for the first level 6 for the second 7 for third etc. Whats gonna be more difficult is determining each unit, we probably won't have every unit in the game because that would take ages to figure out, but some basics would be good.

Unit Points WIP

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 I've been working on costs based on how much of one unit can take on another
Intelligent: If a unit can use weapons add 60 to their point value
Human: 100(40+60)
Dog: 24
Cat: 20
Fish Men:90((20)+60+10)
Dwarf:110 (50+60)
Elves:100 (40+60)
Troglodyte:94((34 + 60)rounded up)
Carp:40
Anaconda Men:120 (60 + 60)
Alligator:170 (160+10)
Alligator Snapping Turtle:50
Anaconda:25
Soldier Ant:70 (10+60)
Badger:30
Barn Owl:33 (8 + 25)
Bat Man :93 (8+25+60)
Beak Dogs:110
Beaver:30
Black Bear:115
Bull :200
Cave Crocodile:220 (210+10)
Cheetah:50
Chimpanzee:40
Crab:10
Cyclops:300 (240+60)
Dark Gnome:90 (30+60)

Turns

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This isn't a definite idea, but so the players have more control over their units, players would take turns taking 5 turns with a unit, so move a unit 5 tiles or move a unit 4 tiles and attack once 

Item Point WIP

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Copper Mail 40
   Bronze 100
   Iron 200
   Steel 400
   Adam 800
Copper Breast 30
   Bronze 75
   Iron 150
   Steel 300
   Adam 600
Leather Armor 15
Leather Cap 5
Leather Helm 12
Copper Cap 10
   Bronze 25
   Iron 50
   Steel 100
   Adam 200
Copper Helm 24
   Bronze 60
   Iron 120
   Steel 240
   Adam 480
Leather Gloves 11
Copper Gauntlet 22
   Bronze 55
   Iron 110
   Steel 220
   Adam 440
Leather Boots 9
Copper Low Boot 18
   Bronze 45
   Iron 90
   Steel 180
   Adam 360
Copper High Boot 24
   Bronze 60
   Iron 120
   Steel 240
   Adam 480
Copper Chain Leggins 46
   Bronze 115
   Iron 230
   Steel 460
   Adam 920
Copper Greaves 46
Bronze 115
Iron 230
Steel 460
Adam 920
Copper Shield 54
   Bronze 135
   Iron 270
   Steel 540
   Adam 1080
Copper Buckler 28
   Bronze 70
   Iron 140
   Steel 280
        Adam 560
Item Size
Large x2 points
Small x .75 points

Skills

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 when it comes to skills I'm torn between skills gaining at a regular point values(5 for first level 6 for the next etc.) or instead of points it adds on 5% of the base point cost then 6% and so on.

This needs a lot of work and I'm hoping for some help and feed back from my fellow dorfs.

[Lt_Alfred]

Why not have people "buy" soldiers of either three races humans/dwarfs/elfs for 10-30 points each or some higher number depending on how much points you're giving, the spend whatever is left of the points on upgrading the skills and buying equipment.
Also maybe if you upgrade your soldiers sworddwarf skill to 9 then each dwarfs you have will have sworddwarf skill level 9 so people won't have to designate how many skills for each soldier because that would take so much time.

[toboo123]

Why not have people "buy" soldiers of either three races humans/dwarfs/elfs for 10-30 points each or some higher number depending on how much points you're giving, the spend whatever is left of the points on upgrading the skills and buying equipment.
Also maybe if you upgrade your soldiers sworddwarf skill to 9 then each dwarfs you have will have sworddwarf skill level 9 so people won't have to designate how many skills for each soldier because that would take so much time.

The buying units thing is what I had in mind, but I want the Dwarf Fortress ridiculousness their, you should be able to buy dragons,sharks or an army of cats if you wanted.

[laularukyrumo]

Could probably use some function of the creature's PETVALUE token for non-sentient creatures... and maybe even sentient ones, if it exists. Dunno if playable races have it offhand, let me check....

pseudo-edit: Most animalmen, as well as the Major Races, and stuff like orcs and dark gnomes don't have a pet_value token, but for anything tameable, some function of petvalue is a quick and easy way to determine points.

Offhand, Cats are PET_VALUE 20 and cost 11 points on embark, Dogs are 16 points for pet_value 30. I suppose one could extrapolate upwards from that and determine whatever y = mx + b and do stuff from there.

Alternatively, you could do something else. I suppose.

[toboo123]

Could probably use some function of the creature's PETVALUE token for non-sentient creatures... and maybe even sentient ones, if it exists. Dunno if playable races have it offhand, let me check....

pseudo-edit: Most animalmen, as well as the Major Races, and stuff like orcs and dark gnomes don't have a pet_value token, but for anything tameable, some function of petvalue is a quick and easy way to determine points.

Offhand, Cats are PET_VALUE 20 and cost 11 points on embark, Dogs are 16 points for pet_value 30. I suppose one could extrapolate upwards from that and determine whatever y = mx + b and do stuff from there.

Alternatively, you could do something else. I suppose.

problem with that is that the cost have factors like rarity and economical usefulness, not solely combat proficiency, maybe we could determine a point value for one unit and see how many of that unit it takes to beat another, then determine the point value by multiplying the cost of that one unit, plus factoring in other things, like being solely aquatic or if it can use weapons.

[toboo123]

I've some things along the lines of points, It's extremely basic but any input helps.

[Zangi]

If I may suggest... size of the creature is the base Point cost.  Fancy things like canskill, canfireballurface and omgfireeverywhere each adds additional points. 
And yes, those who refuse to take part in the fun of fire should get a nice penalty.

[toboo123]

If I may suggest... size of the creature is the base Point cost.  Fancy things like canskill, canfireballurface and omgfireeverywhere each adds additional points. 
And yes, those who refuse to take part in the fun of fire should get a nice penalty.

Hmmm, you may be onto something, it seems that size determines a lot of things in combat, we'd also have to factor in things like a creature having higher agility, toughness, and strength, plus canfireballurface and such.

EDIT: but than again a Giant is 9,000,000 in size while a dwarf is 60,000 in size, which means 100 dwarves would be worth less than 1 giant, and 100 dwarves can easily beat one giant

[Zangi]

100 unarmed and unskilled dwarves?  Well... I havn't tried that out, but you could limit the numbers by needing points to get more... like:

Each extra unit adds = +(1*X)  X = Number of units (First unit is 'free' in this case)
2 Units = +2
3 Units = +5
4 Units = +9

Something like that anyways...  and yea, you can factor in higher physical stats if you like.  Might not be really necessary, but if you think so, go ahead.

[☼!!Troll Fur Sock!!☼]

What about separate points for buying units and upgrading them? With this system, you can have one legendary dorf in adamantite set or 9001 cats... Cats would win by just flooding enemies. I think the good "soldier points" cap is about 15 dwarves, so you can have 1 dragon and one dwarf/some pets or 60 dogs.

[toboo123]

What about separate points for buying units and upgrading them? With this system, you can have one legendary dorf in adamantite set or 9001 cats... Cats would win by just flooding enemies. I think the good "soldier points" cap is about 15 dwarves, so you can have 1 dragon and one dwarf/some pets or 60 dogs.

so you would have to spend half your points on units, and another half on equipment and skills or maybe instead have a cap on how many units you can have in relationship to how many points you have, something like for every 50 points you can have 1 unit, so an 1000 point battle would have a cap of 20 units.

[toboo123]

100 unarmed and unskilled dwarves?  Well... I havn't tried that out, but you could limit the numbers by needing points to get more... like:

Each extra unit adds = +(1*X)  X = Number of units (First unit is 'free' in this case)
2 Units = +2
3 Units = +5
4 Units = +9

Something like that anyways...  and yea, you can factor in higher physical stats if you like.  Might not be really necessary, but if you think so, go ahead.

I may just continue my method of putting them in controlled combat environments, to determine around how many of one unit can beat another, I tested 1 Dwarf v 1 Human and the Dwarves won, not by an overwhelming margin, but enough to consider them more competent in a fight, but their size would suggest the opposite.

[toboo123]

Some quick thoughts on skills:
 when it comes to skills I'm torn between skills gaining at a regular point values(5 for first level 6 for the next etc.) or instead of points it adds on 5% of the base point cost then 6% and so on.