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Re: Breakthrough in Cybernetics
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2012, 04:42:41 pm »

Expskeleton's are quite possible. The problem is that the technology costs millions, and isn't exactly safe. (You're putting electrodes in someone's head, remember)
Exoskeletons don't exist as we are biologically for one reason right now; they're freaking heavy. I'm not sure any of us know a thing about the parameters for such a thing, but I'd imagine it'd have to be made out of some awesome plastics or metal compounds and involve a whole lot of science.
Unless you're creating a cyborg, just go for bionics.

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Those are operational, and fit various defenitions of exoskeletons. They're just bloody expensive, not all that heavy actually, unwieldy and tend to run out of power. Also, they're worthless as armor, but that's not the point.

They're getting up to ten times normal carrying capacity, and clinical trials starting 2013-2015.
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Re: Breakthrough in Cybernetics
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2012, 05:00:36 pm »


I personnally find hand grafts much more impressive, but that's interesting stuff too.
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Re: Breakthrough in Cybernetics
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2012, 05:02:01 pm »

Expskeleton's are quite possible. The problem is that the technology costs millions, and isn't exactly safe. (You're putting electrodes in someone's head, remember)
Exoskeletons don't exist as we are biologically for one reason right now; they're freaking heavy. I'm not sure any of us know a thing about the parameters for such a thing, but I'd imagine it'd have to be made out of some awesome plastics or metal compounds and involve a whole lot of science.
Unless you're creating a cyborg, just go for bionics.

Wikipedia

Those are operational, and fit various defenitions of exoskeletons. They're just bloody expensive, not all that heavy actually, unwieldy and tend to run out of power. Also, they're worthless as armor, but that's not the point.

They're getting up to ten times normal carrying capacity, and clinical trials starting 2013-2015.

Oh right. Yeah we're thinking about very different things. That's pretty much power armour. I'm talking about replacing your skin with an exoskeleton.

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Re: Breakthrough in Cybernetics
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2012, 05:06:00 pm »

Expskeleton's are quite possible. The problem is that the technology costs millions, and isn't exactly safe. (You're putting electrodes in someone's head, remember)
Exoskeletons don't exist as we are biologically for one reason right now; they're freaking heavy. I'm not sure any of us know a thing about the parameters for such a thing, but I'd imagine it'd have to be made out of some awesome plastics or metal compounds and involve a whole lot of science.
Unless you're creating a cyborg, just go for bionics.

Wikipedia

Those are operational, and fit various defenitions of exoskeletons. They're just bloody expensive, not all that heavy actually, unwieldy and tend to run out of power. Also, they're worthless as armor, but that's not the point.

They're getting up to ten times normal carrying capacity, and clinical trials starting 2013-2015.

Oh right. Yeah we're thinking about very different things. That's pretty much power armour. I'm talking about replacing your skin with an exoskeleton.
Oh. Well, that's a bit different.

A well designed one would be able to support itself, and your movements would have enough extra power to move the suit normally.
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Re: Breakthrough in Cybernetics
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2012, 05:07:01 pm »

Powered armour is when it actually protects something. You're talking about biological exoskeletons. Probably possible, but repulsion by the body and constant pain are going to be a problem. Also, flexibility.

A well designed powered exoskeleton weights only 10-20 kg anyway, shouldn't be a problem.
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Re: Breakthrough in Cybernetics
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2012, 05:09:42 pm »

Powered armour is when it actually protects something.
Warhammer definition, it adds to your strength, it doesn't reduce :P

And I think they misapplied powered exoskeleton because they think power armour sounds silly. Exoskeletons imply a solid covering... Which I guess makes sense in certain case-
Oh god the semantics

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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2012, 05:49:56 pm »

Expskeleton's are quite possible. The problem is that the technology costs millions, and isn't exactly safe. (You're putting electrodes in someone's head, remember)
Exoskeletons don't exist as we are biologically for one reason right now; they're freaking heavy. I'm not sure any of us know a thing about the parameters for such a thing, but I'd imagine it'd have to be made out of some awesome plastics or metal compounds and involve a whole lot of science.
Unless you're creating a cyborg, just go for bionics.

Wikipedia

Those are operational, and fit various defenitions of exoskeletons. They're just bloody expensive, not all that heavy actually, unwieldy and tend to run out of power. Also, they're worthless as armor, but that's not the point.

They're getting up to ten times normal carrying capacity, and clinical trials starting 2013-2015.

The one from Exobionics is already in use at a rehabilitation center around here.
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Re: Breakthrough in Cybernetics
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2012, 10:19:27 pm »

Now we just need better batteries to start making exoskeletons for handicapped people so they can regain full mobility.
But a matter of time. Batteries double in power-to-size every year.
If that is the case then why do the AAA batteries I use for my MP3 player this year last the same amount as they did in 2010? Or am I missing something?
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Re: Breakthrough in Cybernetics
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2012, 10:42:51 pm »

Because the company that makes your AAAs doesn't want you to buy their batteries only 33% as much as you used to.
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Re: Breakthrough in Cybernetics
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2012, 11:11:11 pm »

Why would exoskeletons imply a complete cover? that's silly. Our endoskeletons don't take up all our insides! :P
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Re: Breakthrough in Cybernetics
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2012, 11:15:30 pm »

Why would exoskeletons imply a complete cover? that's silly. Our endoskeletons don't take up all our insides! :P
...Skeleton implies a structure or a framework, exoskeleton defines a complete external cover. Associated images with beetles and the like. While not always totally complete, it covers a lot of their bodies :P

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Re: Breakthrough in Cybernetics
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2012, 11:28:49 pm »

That definition is madness.

A skeleton is structure or framework. And exoskeleton is a structure or framework that appears on the outside of the things it is supporting.

That is literally the definition.

The kind of exoskeleton that serves a primary purpose of providing cover as well HAS a name. It's called a "shell".
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Re: Breakthrough in Cybernetics
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2012, 11:33:28 pm »

That definition is madness.

A skeleton is structure or framework. And exoskeleton is a structure or framework that appears on the outside of the things it is supporting.

That is literally the definition.

The kind of exoskeleton that serves a primary purpose of providing cover as well HAS a name. It's called a "shell".
Oxford English Dictionary
Exoskeleton
noun
A rigid external covering for the body in some invertebrate animals, especially arthropods. Compare with endoskeleton.

It's a rather liberal description actually which CAN include shells.

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Re: Breakthrough in Cybernetics
« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2012, 02:00:23 am »

+= Awesome
I heard that there are some UI problems when you put the MMI in an exosuit, has that been fixed?
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