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Set_Beadra

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Re: Military failure
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2012, 10:09:34 pm »

So by 'draft all my dwarves into the military but not have them active' you mean I should make a whole bunch of squads, I guess 9 or 10 since only 10 dwarves per squad and just only have 1 active? Or is there a command I don't know about that can put everyone in the military for me? I also have never touched burrows I don't quite understand their usefulness.
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Re: Military failure
« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2012, 11:15:25 pm »

You know you can use both mail shirts AND breastplates...

EDIT: Ah, minimal loadout

How!? Seriously I've got a customised uniform that includes a breastplate and mail andy military only wear one. I've set them to wear only their uniform. The only thing I haven't done is set it to exact matches.

I actually have fortifications carved above the entrance and a squad of marksdwarves stationed behind them during a siege, which defends allot more effectively than my melee squad who usually get killed within 5 seconds as they rush out one at a time, even when they've been stationed somewhere else first for a few minutes.

I do miss the old military setup, even though it was ridiculously easy to make a squad of ten legendary wrestlers who could take on an entire siege and win.
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Re: Military failure
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2012, 01:13:30 am »

From my experience, the barracks training works pretty well.
I change my squads schedules to have 8/10 dwarves minimum training, I can have them all in one squad and have them train to legendary from no combat experience during the course of 3-6 years. If I ever lose a big chunk of them to archers and need to replace them fast, I just attack every wild animal in sight to boost the newbies up.

...but my point is that training isn't all as bad as people say, if you change the schedules.
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Re: Military failure
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2012, 02:42:34 am »

How!? Seriously I've got a customised uniform that includes a breastplate and mail andy military only wear one. I've set them to wear only their uniform. The only thing I haven't done is set it to exact matches.
I assume it's set to replace clothing... What else is in the uniform? I've had problems in the past with layering robe/mail/plate, but dress/mail/plate always works.

Mail + plate may not be a good idea anyway, unless your dwarves are strong, fast, or have high Armour User skill. You can put a mail shirt and leggings on the average fresh recruit if they have a light shield and they'll lag just a little, but add a breastplate and they'll slow right down. Boots, helm, and gauntlets are always fine, as they don't weigh much even when made of copper.

I don't even bother with breastplates in a game with unmodded combat, to be honest. They have less coverage than mail, take more material to make, are heavy, and don't do crap against bolts. Either one layer of steel is good enough, or nothing is.
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Re: Military failure
« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2012, 01:15:23 pm »

I only use my.military to defend the entrance so speed isn't that important, my marksdwarves do most of the attacking.

The rest of the uniform is high boots, chain leggings, greaves, helm and gauntlets. Thanks for reminding me about the cloak I once lost a legendary axe dwarf to a cut throat.

Of course all this will be moot once my dwarvern railgun (mine cart filled with lead bars) is completed  :D
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Re: Military failure
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2012, 04:39:02 pm »

I only use my.military to defend the entrance so speed isn't that important, my marksdwarves do most of the attacking.
Speed affects attacking rate as well as movement rate. This may change at some point. But it does matter less if you never need to chase anything and your dwarves never get spread out.

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The rest of the uniform is high boots, chain leggings, greaves, helm and gauntlets.
Leggings and greaves are both [SHAPED] items, and only one [SHAPED] item can occupy a particular body slot. Unless the game has been modded, your dwarves should be wearing one or the other. Have you tried checking that the uniform is both 'exact match' and 'replace clothing'? Forcing the uniform like that should get them to wear both mail and plate.
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Honestly at the time, I didn't see what could go wrong with crowding 80 military Dwarves into a small room with a necromancer for the purpose of making bacon.

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Re: Military failure
« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2012, 08:18:49 pm »

I'll make sure to remove the chain leggings, greaves seem to be a bit more effective.

I only use melee dwarfs for entrance defence, even then they're just to act as a shield for my infinitely more skilled marksdwarves.
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Re: Military failure
« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2012, 09:03:47 pm »

I forgot about the combat log. I would check it now if I could but the fortress is gone. I had planned to get a bunch of iron from the human caravan since my fortress didn't seem to have anything but gold silver and copper. I had some lead as well but couldn't make armor with that.

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