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     Thanks a lot for viewing this post! I know my problems are most likely very easy to fix and probably will annoy you if you've been playing this game for a while, but I've been really getting into it and I'm kinda stuck right now. So, three problems. Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated.

Problem #1 : In a youtube basics video I was watching from cptnduck, he builds an up/down staircase. It seems that this staircase goes all the way to at least the 7th layer under, because later in the video he starts building the dwarves a room there. When I built an up/down staircase, it only tunneled down 1 layer. Am I doing something wrong?

Problem #2 : Even if I build material like beds/ thrones, I cant use them in any building underground. Whenever I try to place them in a room, it says I don't have access to any of the items. However, when I check my items I have all of the things I'm trying to place down. Is this is a glitch, or am I just being a total dumbass?  :-\

Problem #3 : I had two dwarves that I had mine all the way down to layer 5 for me. Once they were done with that layer, they did not go back up the stairs. I thought that they were just idling and left them there ( is there a way to control exactly where they go? ) and then later when I came back to them they were dead, and there was miasma everywhere. I felt a bit of guilt for accidentally killing them in what was probably an extremely noobish, unprofessional way.


     Thanks a lot for reading guys! Hopefully some of these questions get answered so I can keep exploring this amazing game! Thanks for all the help!
« Last Edit: October 29, 2012, 07:38:31 pm by AleAleAleAleAleAleAle »
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Re: Complete Newb Getting Into The Game, Stuck With Three Problems
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2012, 07:52:30 pm »

just to warn you, captnduck in my opinion, whilst doing a good job, takes a stinking AGE to tell you what to do.

Eventually might do one myself if i can ever be bothered.


anyway,

#0 WELCOME!

#1. You can designate multiple layers to be drilled out at once. so go to (d)esignate - (i) up/down staircase, select the top left square of your staircase, press enter. go to the bottom right of your staircase (do not press enter yet!) now go down 7 layers at that point, now press enter! zing! you should get a 7 z level staircase!

#2 My guess is that you somehow can't access these items for whatever reason, have you locked doors? I just read #3.

so joint #2/#3
In my opinion, you have built the wrong type of staircase. possibly all "down stairs" staircases, for some reasons dwarves cannot go up these staircases. which is why you use an up/down staircase, which lets you travel in both directions.


My suggestions to get you rolling:
IGNORE A LOT OF THINGS!
you literally only need:
Carpenter, Masons workshop, craftdwarf shop, metalsmith forge, smelter, wood burning thingymajig, kitchen, still and some form of way to get food. The way he shows you how to build a farm is WAY TO COMPLEX for a new player. really, it's much easier to hit the caverns and just build one in there and block off the entrances. Or to hit caverns and then just build in the soil/clay/peat/whatever layers near the highest z levels.

After you've built all of the above items (metalsmith/smelter/wood burning are to produce armor/weapons, so not quite needed yet)
get your carpenter to build beds and some barrels (i swear wiki is incorrect about pots storing booze, i have never soon booze stored in stone pots), so you have somewhere for booze and to sleep. Just chuck the beds somewhere, you don't even need to dormitary them, dwarves will find beds.
Mason should build doors,thrones (chairs), tables, armor/weapon rack.
Kitchen to produce meals, easy is best to start with, eventually you'll reach a stage where you'll only use lavish.
Still to produce booze, with any luck you brought a minimum of 60 with you, this is enough for a good long while, but you need to be ready to make more.

Personally, i use 16 chickens and 2 roosters, this gives infinite food for newbs. set your kitchen for easy meal and job done!
For booze you'll need plants, i suggest herbalists myself, really easy to use, don't need to worry about farm plots yet.

Lastly is a military.
If you have a serious problem the fastest way i can suggest to deal with it:
go to (m)ilitary screen, make a squad (any type except archer), put 7-10 dwarves in this squad, go out of military menu. Go to (s)quad menu, press (a) to select newly made squad, use (k)ill from (l)ist then select what you want to kill. this will just set them all to bash them to death.
In my opinion, this is ALL you need to know for the first 2-3 hours of playing.



As a different embark (as you'll probably need one)
Use the region you already have
Dwarves as follows:
+5 miner +2 appraiser
+3 carpenter +3 wood cut
+5 herbalist (optional +5 grower)
+5 cook
+3 stonecraft +3 masonry
+5 swordsdwarf
+5 swordsdwarf (yes, two of them)

Items: from the default:
remove 1 pick
remove 1 axe
remove all the wooden items at bottom (cart/bucket/splint/crutch, these are EASILY made)
Add:
2 copper swords
12 hens, 2 roosters
1 male + female cat

The point of this embark, is to give you a working military from the word go. Build an armor stand INSIDE (outside works too i suppose) as soon as possible, make a (m)ilitary squad put the 2 swordsdwarves in it, select the armor stand with (q) make (hotkey?) barracks,  press (t)rain. now go to (s)quads and select active. This gets them training from the word go. They don't even need better equipment because they're semi trained already (proficient is actually fairly good!) and they will only get better (and they get better FAST! as they're already friends usually, so begin sparring early).

Set the herbalist to grab all plants.
Get the woodcutter to cut 3 trees and to then make carpenter then make the carpenter make the armor or weapon rack.
get the miner to dig into a hill, if you have no hill, dig a 3 length channel then go down one z level, then dig next to where the channel above is (also 3 length), then continue with up/down stair case next to the dig.
When inside get a kitchen and get cook to start cooking. go to z menu NOW select kitchen, and select all your booze and stop your cook from cooking it (highlight and press c)
stonecraft builds nest boxes + rock pots. when you have 4 nest boxes, make a 10x10 area for chickens, once its been dug out, press (i) for zones, and select the entire area, make it a (n)pasture and select all chickens into it (they do NOT need grass/anything to eat) leave that menu then go to (b)uild menu and build the 4 (N)est boxes.

Lastly build trade depot. trading is much easier than it first appears, but needs practice. I suggest you build it outside to increase the chance of it being accessible.


Let us know how you get on whatever you choose to do! pm me if you have anything direct, i work 8-5 GMT, but am online 5pm-12pm (1 am now lol).
time for bed ;)
« Last Edit: October 29, 2012, 08:13:42 pm by Bigheaded »
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I just found a barrel which contained a wheelbarrow. Inside the wheelbarrow was another barrel. I don't even understand how that is possible.

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Re: Complete Newb Getting Into The Game, Stuck With Three Problems
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2012, 08:02:15 pm »

     Wow, thanks so much! I've got to type a bit fast here, our power's about to get blasted out from the whole hurricane conundrum.
I definitely was not expecting such a detailed, simple response this quickly! I've never gotten such a first great response on a forum.
     Yeah, captnduck is going a bit slow. All of your advice about the farms, ale and the military looks very helpful! Also, I don't doubt that I may have accidently built a down staircase instead of an up/down one.
     Sorry about not giving you a longer response, but I seriously think the power's about to blow. Thanks so much for all the help. If everyone else on here is as nice and thoughtful as here, then I'm going to have a great experience here. Many thanks  :D !
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Re: Complete Newb Getting Into The Game, Stuck With Three Problems
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2012, 08:20:17 pm »

just editted my first post with the setup i use (or very close to it)

i inserted hotkeys in () brackets when possible, so it shouldn't be to hard to navigate.

things i've forgotten:
workshops: (b)uild (w)orkshop
-->
(c)arpenter
(r) craftdwarf
etc,

if you have any trouble whatsoever, let us know.

i've forgotten stockpiles, but that's for another time.




suspect someone will tell me my advice is all wrong, my reply to that is that it's aimed to be simple, aimed for someone new, to get them off the start blocks a lot faster than a complex guide.
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I just found a barrel which contained a wheelbarrow. Inside the wheelbarrow was another barrel. I don't even understand how that is possible.

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Re: Complete Newb Getting Into The Game, Stuck With Three Problems
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2012, 08:32:26 pm »

suspect someone will tell me my advice is all wrong, my reply to that is that it's aimed to be simple, aimed for someone new, to get them off the start blocks a lot faster than a complex guide.

You aren't all wrong.  ;D

Seriously though, rock pots do store alcohol, and thus are amazing because rock is much more common than wood.
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Re: Complete Newb Getting Into The Game, Stuck With Three Problems
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2012, 06:32:25 am »

If you have layers with soil, you can just build farms on them without any irrigation. Captnducks tutorial about that is outdated. You only need to irrigate if you want to farm on stone.
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2012, 12:29:12 pm »

If you have layers with soil, you can just build farms on them without any irrigation. Captnducks tutorial about that is outdated. You only need to irrigate if you want to farm on stone.

you said it better than i said it. I also wasn't 100% sure if you needed to hit caverns first, as that usually happens for me within the first few days.

Interesting for the drinks in pots, i built 3 pots (1 was used, 2 empty), had 0 barrels and my dwarf refused to use the pots for brewing. So not sure what happened there then.
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2012, 06:00:52 pm »

So, I can't say I agree with BigHeaded's quick tutorial, I see why he said some of the things he said, just to make it easier to understand but I still can't say I like it. My biggest advice to you would be use the wiki as much as possible. Everyone's playstyle is different so make sure to experiment, don't try to copy everything about how someone else plays. Also, pots do store booze, you need to glaze clay pots first though. And farms don't need to be flooded anymore unless the ground is stone, if it's a soil your fine. Things that classify as soil can be found on the wiki, a good rule of thumb is that if it's not a rock it's fine.

I definitely was not expecting such a detailed, simple response this quickly! I've never gotten such a first great response on a forum.
Yeah, get used to belonging to an awesome community, if you post a question it'll be answered in the hour.

Good luck with your first fortress. Have fun.
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Re: Complete Newb Getting Into The Game, Stuck With Three Problems
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2012, 08:07:19 pm »

If you have layers with soil, you can just build farms on them without any irrigation. Captnducks tutorial about that is outdated. You only need to irrigate if you want to farm on stone.
you said it better than i said it. I also wasn't 100% sure if you needed to hit caverns first, as that usually happens for me within the first few days.

Interesting for the drinks in pots, i built 3 pots (1 was used, 2 empty), had 0 barrels and my dwarf refused to use the pots for brewing. So not sure what happened there then.
Were the two in stockpiles? Try making 15-20.
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Re: Complete Newb Getting Into The Game, Stuck With Three Problems
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2012, 09:03:22 pm »

TheZemalf made some tutorials vary recently and there pretty good if you still are wondering about stuff.
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