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Author Topic: STOP. MOVING. BINS.  (Read 908 times)

Zeebie

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STOP. MOVING. BINS.
« on: October 24, 2012, 07:55:42 am »

In this fortress I'm being bedeviled by dwarfs picking up bins when they go to collect stuff.  In particular, they keep grabbing the gem bin (which clears all the orders given to the jeweler) and the cloth bin (which is paralyzing my cloth industry).  I know the easy solution is to not allow bins in the gem/cloth stockpiles, but that will create huge space inefficiencies.  Any suggestions?
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Re: STOP. MOVING. BINS.
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2012, 08:02:39 am »

Link multiple feeder stockpiles which accept bins to a central stockpile which does not accept bins, then only allow these stockpiles to give/take from each other. This should keep the central stockpile fed with single gems for the jeweler's use.
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Re: STOP. MOVING. BINS.
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2012, 08:43:49 am »

Link multiple feeder stockpiles which accept bins to a central stockpile which does not accept bins, then only allow these stockpiles to give/take from each other. This should keep the central stockpile fed with single gems for the jeweler's use.

I can't believe I never thought of that. So simple, yet so effective.

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Re: STOP. MOVING. BINS.
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2012, 11:48:21 am »

Link multiple feeder stockpiles which accept bins to a central stockpile which does not accept bins, then only allow these stockpiles to give/take from each other. This should keep the central stockpile fed with single gems for the jeweler's use.

Sorry, I've never done give/take for stockpiles before, can you walk me through it?  Stockpile A allows gem but not bins.  Stockpile B allows gems and bins.  I should make Stockpile B give to Stockpile A?  How does this work?
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Re: STOP. MOVING. BINS.
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2012, 11:57:16 am »

The wiki entry on stockpiles giving to other stockpiles or to workshops is pretty neat: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Stockpile.

Basically Stockpile B is rigged to give gems to Stockpile A, and yes you should make B give to A. I'm not exactly sure what else you'd like to know, so I'm refraining from talking too much first :P
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Re: STOP. MOVING. BINS.
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2012, 12:10:19 pm »

I thought dwarves were pretty avoidant of taking stuffs out of bins to put on stockpile if they're both allowing same materials?

I've never had luck outside of tricking the binned stockpile by disallowing specific materials that's already on it. I just have a stockpile without bin feeding a linked binned stockpile ( set to take only from link ) to shorten hauling time as much as possible.

Granted it might be something new, I'm still using 34.09, but I've had similar problems in 31. :D
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Re: STOP. MOVING. BINS.
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2012, 02:00:22 pm »

Will take from anywhere. 
Will drop bin anywhere.


I'm maybe missing a lot of complex link nested ˇFUN!  But I only use bins in my bar/block stockpile.  I try to buy things from within bins and forbid them, when they show up on the stock lists.  Aspect, or hauling is just too buggy.  All my children are working, Miners, so I haven't any trouble making room, for extra storage areas.
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Re: STOP. MOVING. BINS.
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2012, 02:56:27 pm »

Ok, I finally got the take/give to work - I just had to wait a long, long time for the dwarfs to get around to it.  Stockpile to stockpile must be a low priority.
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Re: STOP. MOVING. BINS.
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2012, 02:33:18 am »

Link multiple feeder stockpiles which accept bins to a central stockpile which does not accept bins, then only allow these stockpiles to give/take from each other. This should keep the central stockpile fed with single gems for the jeweler's use.
If I've understood u right, you make a feeder gem stockpile that passes gems one-by-one to a w/shop stockpile (that doesn't accept bins) near gemcutter.
With that layout the problem will be is controlling the amount of gems of a secific type in a w/shop stockpile. That is only about gems and ores, because dwarves really doesn't bother what type of stone/wood/bone/.. they use. Just imagine a situation:
We have a 10-tiles 'feeder' gem stock and a 10-tiles w/shop stockpile. While searching for metals dwarves digged out tons of brown jaspers, clear opals, citrines, prases, morions, milk quartzes etc. And we set a workshop orders to cut all these gems to repeat. It is clear that soon we'll have some jobs cancellations because w/shop stock is full of prases and morions while cutter wants opals.
It is avoidable by making huge w/shop stockpile. Or making a new gem stockpile that only accepts the type of gem for every type of gem you have.
Btw, you can use authomatic quantum dumping.
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