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[StreetPizza]

Do you want to get rid of the hassle of modding in Bronze Colossi as playable just to propel enemies away?

Do you want to make your enemies fly away instead of stand still when you hit them?

Do you want to be the Dwarven Babe Ruth?

Well, now you can!

HI, URIST McMAYS HERE FOR THE GREATMACE™, MAGMACORP®'S NEWEST INVENTION!

With the Magmacorp® greatmace™, you can go from this...



to this...



in an instant!

With the Magmacorp® greatmace™, you'll be making enemies fly in no time!

The secret is in the high-velocity action, which turns all the enemies you wanna waste into a fine, red, chunky paste! The best part is, the Magmacorp® greatmace™ is SO POWERFUL, it can even propel enemies the SAME SIZE AS YOU ARE!!!



Amazing!

But I'm not done yet! Since Magmacorp®'s brilliant Dwarven engineers and testers have found out through intense arena testing that a high-velocity attack won't break bones as often as a regular attack, we'll DOUBLE the offer and include a regular attack too, just in case you felt like crushing heads the old-fashioned way.

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[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_GREATMACE]
[NAME:greatmace:greatmaces]
[SIZE:1200]
[SKILL:MACE]
[TWO_HANDED:72500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:6000:smash:smashes:NO_SUB:1000] <-regular attack
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:6000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:100000] <-propulsion attack
But wait! Call now, and we'll include a FREE Adventure mode reaction kit™ that generates a lifetime supply of Magmacorp® greatmaces™ whenever you need it. Just concentrate, and it's there! It's that easy.

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[REACTION:SUMMON_STEEL_GREATMACE]
[NAME:summon steel greatmace]
[ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]
[PRODUCT:100:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_GREATMACE:INORGANIC:STEEL]
[SKILL:CONCENTRATION]
So call now, and one worldgen later, you and your dwarves'll be playing Goblin baseball in no time!

Note: Magmacorp® is not responsible for any accidental deaths by bludgeoning, drowning, melting, bleeding, exploding, or spontaneous combustion that occur during use of the Magmacorp greatmace. Side effects include: headache, nausea, dry mouth, death, carp, death by carp, and erectile dysfunction. Call now!

[Corai]

I love you.

[Loud Whispers]

I'll stick with my railgun thank you very much.
I once shot a Kobold in the head with it.
You know what happened to that Kobold?
I have no idea, never saw it again.
It just started flying and never came back down again...

Same with goblins and humans, but at least you can still find their exploded remains.

[Shook]

how the f-

I tried so hard to make this back in .31, and now you make something that actually works? Awesome! Might have to fire up an adventure just for that. c:
Whether that owes to a new knockback system and/or your ingenuity is irrelevant, i can finally knock people around without having to mod in an obscenely large fist to a dorf!...

obscenely large fist is pretty funny though

[StreetPizza]

Oh man, Shook? Shook's, like, a frickin' celebrity, man! And he posted on my topic! :glee:

Actually, now I'm curious too about whether this would work in 31, since this is something I'd like to have done back then as well. Tell you what, since I still have a copy of good ol' 31.25 lying around, I'll boot it up, mod this into it, and see if it works there too.

Also, I'll be doing more testing by futzing around with other variables like contact area, material, and weapon size. I've already done some testing with the velocity modifier, and I've discovered that 100000 is sort of optimal, since something like 10000000000 won't break bones as often (and by extension, won't send anything flying since that's not a "solid" hit).

Edit: Yep, we owe the ability to do this to the new momentum system; we can't knock enemies away with the same weapon in 31.25.

Case in point: (34.11 is on the left, 31.25 is on the right)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Edit^2: Breaking news from Magmacorp! After running some field tests on a Bronze Colossus, Magmacorp engineers have discovered that the Magmacorp greatmace's high-velocity attack is effective against Bronze Colossi even though the low-velocity variant is not! Findings published below:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[Quietust]

The maximum possible value for a weapon's velocity multiplier (as well as most other values) is likely 2147483647, and even using that will probably cause things to behave strangely due to integer overflows.

[edit] Also, the plural of "bronze colossus" is (and always has been) "bronze colossuses" - if you don't believe me, look at the raws.

[Kagus]

[edit] Also, the plural of "bronze colossus" is (and always has been) "bronze colossuses" - if you don't believe me, look at the raws.

This likely has more to do with Toady's way of writing stuff in the raws than anything else...  Although it is apparently an acceptable plural according to Wiktionary.


Have any experiments been done regarding the relationship between the velocity multiplier and the impact area/penetration values?

[Urist_McDrowner]

You should make it out of silver or slade.

[StreetPizza]

Since this is a blunt weapon we're working with here, penetration doesn't matter. Contact area, though, is something I haven't looked at yet. From what I've seen based on contact area, though, it seems that a smaller contact area makes broken bones more likely, whereas when I had the velocity multiplier at some astronomical number that probably overflowed, I couldn't break a single bone when the target was standing (and thus couldn't knock them back because I couldn't hit them hard enough).

I'll give different materials a try the next time I go in too.

By the way, thanks for the tip, Quietust. Maybe we'll get to knock similarly-sized enemies more than one tile away if I go back in and futz around a little more.

Edit: Alright, folks! Testing has begun. I'll be testing with silver, steel, and platinum (slade is no longer available for arena testing).

I will be testing propulsion effectiveness and combat effectiveness against other weapons using standard humans as test subjects (armored vs. armored and unarmored vs. unarmored). For the propulsion trials, the human with the weapon will be a grandmaster fighter and maceman. For the combat trials, the humans will all be adept at both skills and attacks will be restricted to the original "smash and bash."

Bones will indeed break. Bodies will indeed fly. Shit will indeed go down.

This is what I'll be working with:

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[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_GREATMACE]
[NAME:greatmace:greatmaces]
[SIZE:1200]
[SKILL:MACE]
[TWO_HANDED:72500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:6000:smash:smashes:NO_SUB:1000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:6000:bashstandard:bashes:NO_SUB:100000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:6000:vel1000000:bashes:NO_SUB:1000000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:6000:vel10000000:bashes:NO_SUB:10000000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:6000:vel100000000:bashes:NO_SUB:100000000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:6000:vel1000000000:bashes:NO_SUB:1000000000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:6000:vel2000000000:bashes:NO_SUB:2000000000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:6000:area100:bashes:NO_SUB:100000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:1000:6000:area1000:bashes:NO_SUB:100000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:2500:6000:area2500:bashes:NO_SUB:100000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:5000:6000:area5000:bashes:NO_SUB:100000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10000:6000:area10000:bashes:NO_SUB:100000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:25000:6000:area25000:bashes:NO_SUB:100000]
Note that I haven't started experimenting with size yet. I'll save that for a later test.

[StreetPizza]

Alright, folks: results are in.

Unfortunately, none of the variables I messed with gave me fruitful results--it would always end up propelling the target one square, regardless of size or velocity. Additionally, the weapon does not propel its target at some velocities. See the data below for details.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Note: propulsion is only possible with solid hits to upper or lower body
propulsion more likely to occur when target is prone than when target is standing. Hence, all trials were performed on targets' upper bodies at "fairly solid" hit rating and above. All subjects were disposed by obsidian encasement or cave-in afterward to prevent interference in other trials.

I. Propulsion testing

1. Varying Velocity:

Standard Bash (vel100000) propulsion
steel propels target 1 square
silver propels target 1 square
platinum propels target 1 square

Notes: other velocities also only propel target 1 square; other velocities also less likely to propel and less likely to break bones:

Process: targets were struck five times at each velocity. The numerator represents how many times the targets were propelled. a semicolon indicates another trial.

Steel
standard: 5/5; 5/5
1000000: 5/5; 5/5; 5/5
10000000: 0/5; 0/5
100000000: 2/5; 3/5
1000000000: 0/5; 0/5
2000000000: 5/5; 0/5

Silver
standard: 4/5; 5/5; 5/5
1000000: 0/5; 0/5
10000000: 5/5; 4/5; 5/5
100000000: 3/5; 5/5; 2/5
1000000000: 0/5
2000000000: 5/5; 5/5

Platinum
standard: 5/5; 5/5
1000000: 0/5; 5/5; 5/5
10000000: 0/5; 0/5
100000000: 0/5; 0/5
1000000000: 0/5; 0/5
2000000000: 0/5; 4/5

Conclusion: Raising velocity generally lowers chance of propulsion; does not change distance propelled. Curiously, Platinum, despite being the densest, performed the worst.

2. Varying Contact Area

Propulsion:

Standard Bash (area10) propulsion: 1 square
steel propels target 1 square
silver propels target 1 square
platinum propels target 1 square

Effectiveness:

Steel
standard: 5/5; 5/5
100: 4/5; 4/5
1000: 5/5; 5/5
2500: 5/5; 4/5
5000: 5/5; 5/5
10000: 5/5; 5/5
25000: 5/5; 5/5

Silver

standard: 5/5; 5/5
100: 5/5; 5/5
1000: 5/5; 4/5
2500: 4/5; 5/5
5000: 5/5; 5/5
10000: 4/5; 5/5
25000: 5/5; 5/5

Platinum
standard: 5/5; 4/5
100: 5/5; 4/5
1000: 5/5; 5/5
2500: 5/5; 5/5
5000: 5/5; 5/5
10000: 5/5; 4/5
25000: 5/5; 5/5

Conclusion: changing contact area does not seem to affect chance or distance of propulsion


II: Combat Testing

Process: Combat testing will consist of a ten-on-ten arena melee between two teams equipped with different weapons. Testing will go through an armored and unarmored phase. Multiple trials will be recorded. The greatmaces will be reset to only having "smash" and "bash" as attack options.

Unarmored

1. steel greatmace vs. steel battleaxe
-battleaxe won, 4 survivors
-greatmace won, 6 survivors
-greatmace won, 7 survivors
2. steel greatmace vs. steel spear
-greatmace won, 4 survivors
-spear won, 5 survivors
-spear won, 9 survivors

Armored (iron everywhere+shield)

1. steel greatmace vs. steel battleaxe
-greatmace won, 10 survivors
-greatmace won, 6 survivors
-battleaxe won, 7 survivors
2. steel greatmace vs. steel spear
-greatmace won, 1 survivor
-greatmace won, 4 survivors
-greatmace won, 9 survivors

Conclusion:
The propulsion is rather effective in melee combat.

III: Propulsion Testing 2: Propel Harder: Size Variation

Process: Similar to the first propulsion test, this test will measure the probability and distance of propulsion with a number of different-sized greatmaces.

Standard Bash (size1200) propulsion: 1 square
2000: 1 square
3000: 1 square
5000: 1 square
7500: 1 square
10000: 1 square
15000: 1 square
25000: 1 square

Conclusion: weapon size does not affect distance propelled. Boo.

Well, I guess this means I stumbled onto this weapon by accident, since I have no clue how it works.

I know from adventure mode that relative size can affect propulsion distance (my human adventurer can knock a kobold across the room, for instance). I would also guess that strength most likely has no effect on propulsion as well because all of the arena humans had "average strength" while my human adventurer has "superhuman strength," but there seems to be no marked difference in propulsion distance.

What else can I test? Do you guys think I did the procedure wrong? I'm stumped.

[Thecard]

Well, silver is the best material for blunt weapons in vanilla, but you can always mod in a super dense material.

[Replica]

Doing this with ranged weapons may get you better results, but it isn't as funny as using a large mace to do it.

[Quietust]

Just to check: you've read this post, right?

[Dalkar]

I remember in the last version (3.1xx, I believe) I made a gun that shoots out a three cutting force bolts. Unfortunately I accidentally made it available to civs. Then I started an adventurer and got hit by one, which slammed me into a tree 15 tiles away, ripped both my lungs and, oddly enough, cut my nose off. I suffocated soon after.
As I recall the shootforce and maxvel was into the hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

[Urist_McDrowner]

Since this is a blunt weapon we're working with here, penetration doesn't matter. Contact area, though, is something I haven't looked at yet. From what I've seen based on contact area, though, it seems that a smaller contact area makes broken bones more likely, whereas when I had the velocity multiplier at some astronomical number that probably overflowed, I couldn't break a single bone when the target was standing (and thus couldn't knock them back because I couldn't hit them hard enough).

I'll give different materials a try the next time I go in too.

By the way, thanks for the tip, Quietust. Maybe we'll get to knock similarly-sized enemies more than one tile away if I go back in and futz around a little more.

Edit: Alright, folks! Testing has begun. I'll be testing with silver, steel, and platinum (slade is no longer available for arena testing).

I will be testing propulsion effectiveness and combat effectiveness against other weapons using standard humans as test subjects (armored vs. armored and unarmored vs. unarmored). For the propulsion trials, the human with the weapon will be a grandmaster fighter and maceman. For the combat trials, the humans will all be adept at both skills and attacks will be restricted to the original "smash and bash."

Bones will indeed break. Bodies will indeed fly. Shit will indeed go down.

This is what I'll be working with:

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[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_GREATMACE]
[NAME:greatmace:greatmaces]
[SIZE:1200]
[SKILL:MACE]
[TWO_HANDED:72500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:6000:smash:smashes:NO_SUB:1000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:6000:bashstandard:bashes:NO_SUB:100000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:6000:vel1000000:bashes:NO_SUB:1000000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:6000:vel10000000:bashes:NO_SUB:10000000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:6000:vel100000000:bashes:NO_SUB:100000000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:6000:vel1000000000:bashes:NO_SUB:1000000000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:6000:vel2000000000:bashes:NO_SUB:2000000000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:6000:area100:bashes:NO_SUB:100000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:1000:6000:area1000:bashes:NO_SUB:100000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:2500:6000:area2500:bashes:NO_SUB:100000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:5000:6000:area5000:bashes:NO_SUB:100000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10000:6000:area10000:bashes:NO_SUB:100000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:25000:6000:area25000:bashes:NO_SUB:100000]
Note that I haven't started experimenting with size yet. I'll save that for a later test.

You can use DFhack's "changeitem m INORGANIC:SLADE here force" to change it to slade.