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[mendonca]

Didn't expect anything less than such a reasoned response from this forum, but it still makes me happy to see.

I complete agree with the sentiment put forward so far, in that it would be good for all parties that LD takes this the way he wants. Sounds to me like he just needs to draw that line, and move on.

Discussion is good though, and probably very necessary, as I *infer* that he is feeling pretty crushed by the pressures of being in this position, and probably feels unable to look at the future of the project objectively from his own viewpoint.

Personally, I wouldn't want to see refunds. Those of us who entered in to this did it on mutually agreed terms - would hate to think LD swaps the pressure of not knowing whether he can deliver this project, to a different sort where he is paying 40% of his paycheck for the next three years (or whatever) back to willing backers.

And yes, monsieur Dullard, we miss you.

[nenjin]

The worst part of this whole KS is that we lost him as an active member on the forum.

Yalp. I didn't even back and I still feel this way.

[PrimusRibbus]

Personally, I wouldn't want to see refunds. Those of us who entered in to this did it on mutually agreed terms - would hate to think LD swaps the pressure of not knowing whether he can deliver this project, to a different sort where he is paying 40% of his paycheck for the next three years (or whatever) back to willing backers.

This.

I view Kickstarter as a crowdsourced seed round or Angel Investment, where the return is the product and some perks instead of equity. Sometimes your investment doesn't work out. It's a shame when that happens, but that's a risk you take.

[Grand Nagus]

Personally, I wouldn't want to see refunds. Those of us who entered in to this did it on mutually agreed terms - would hate to think LD swaps the pressure of not knowing whether he can deliver this project, to a different sort where he is paying 40% of his paycheck for the next three years (or whatever) back to willing backers.

This.

I view Kickstarter as a crowdsourced seed round or Angel Investment, where the return is the product and some perks instead of equity. Sometimes your investment doesn't work out. It's a shame when that happens, but that's a risk you take.

I'm surprised how many people think like I do. I was expecting a horde of mad 'customers' at his throat. He's been greeted with nothing but support, I'm glad for that I just wish such a community would have had MORE of a game to commune around.

[jocan2003]

Personally, I wouldn't want to see refunds. Those of us who entered in to this did it on mutually agreed terms - would hate to think LD swaps the pressure of not knowing whether he can deliver this project, to a different sort where he is paying 40% of his paycheck for the next three years (or whatever) back to willing backers.

This.

I view Kickstarter as a crowdsourced seed round or Angel Investment, where the return is the product and some perks instead of equity. Sometimes your investment doesn't work out. It's a shame when that happens, but that's a risk you take.

We are from B12, we all have our heads over our shoulder in most of the case, but we also have our black sheep. I think the very same about kicksarter, im investing in the game with no garantee, i weight in my desire/company port-folio/dev experience/ and my current financial situation and throw money at them hoping it works out, but if it doesnt i wont be mad at them, well a little bit but i wont go tantruming and i never took kickstart for a pre-purchase or anything like that.

Im just tired of big company trying to rule and dictate what the gamer want when they simply dont care and dont know WTF they are talking about, we dont need executive to make game, we need passionated devloper and where are those passionated devloper with no shackles? They are on kickstarter, indiegogo and some other, THATS where the futur lies in terms of innovation/passion/experimentation and some other terms i cant fragging translate. They deliver? Great! They dont? God dammit...

Am i sad the game will most likely not be delivered? Yes i am because i loved the concept but oh well. Now LD get back from your torture and at least come back here and good luck if you dont... We miss you knucklehead XD.

[hemmingjay]

Are the Empyrea site and forum down?

Edit: Nope, just a bunch of unattended SQL errors. Still no activity or response from LD. It's been 3 weeks since he asked us for feedback regarding continuing the game or cancelling. I am out of goodwill and would change my answer to "give me a refund". He has made it clear that he simply doesn't feel like keeping up his obligations and that's not a good excuse for his behavior. If it was too hard, or something in his life came up I would be fine with it because those are normal circumstances. But he asked us to fund his project, took $34,000 from us and then took a year to deliver a world generator that sort of works, all while disappearing from the community for months at a time. He promised communication and dedication and a game. He failed to keep ANY of those three promises. His attitude is beyond unprofessional, it's insulting.

[ndkid]

I agree that Kickstarter's text absolutely makes clear that you're making donations, not investments, and that there are no guarantees of project success even if funded, etc, etc. On the other hand, Kickstarter is in the business of getting as much money out of the process it can, and it does that by making sure that's the fine print, and that everything else is a snazzy presentation of how, for X dollars, you can get Y thing from these folks you're helping to produce Z.

Each kickstarter than fails to produce increases the perceived risk of other kickstarters, reducing overall funding. Therefore, it's in pretty much everyone's interests *except* LDs for LD to do refunds... nobody takes a financial hit, KS got to keep its cut.

Given LDs inability to communicate anywhere close to the rate he has kept promising since this project began, if he continues work, I suspect we'll keep running into "is this project dead" fears.

I think the best of all worlds would be both refunds and releasing the code, if not to the world, than to a group of developers willing to continue work on it.
Maybe by September sometime, we'll actually hear LD's plan.

[DwarfOfTheLand]

Is the game free now?

There are not a lot of games like this..I kinda want to play it.

[nenjin]

Is the game free now?

There are not a lot of games like this..I kinda want to play it.

......

I know it's a thread and people don't seem to want to read more than 3 posts up. But seriously. In the context of the current discussion, your question is painfully ironic.

[hemmingjay]

Is the game free now?

There are not a lot of games like this..I kinda want to play it.

There is no game. There is little more than a design document and a tech demo on world generation after 18 months and $34,000. We all want to play it, and it is painfully clear that we will not be able to.

[Anvilfolk]