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[G-Flex]

basically, using gay as an insult (as in, a serious insult) seems to give me the impression you are a homophobe.

Does this actually need to be said? That's kind of sad.

[Loud Whispers]

The one most DF players could identify with would probably be the Graphics vs Aesthetics episode.

DF is lucky in that it gives no helmets over graphics and hands the aesthetics mostly to the player to work with. But the rustic music and the entire language and behaviours + descriptions truly makes it an immersive simulator.

Calling people homo's across the internet has always made me question anonymity as a whole.

I mean, anonymity is supposed to protect us right? It stops actual homosexuals from getting followed around and harassed online by people who know them (excluding facebook), but instead of anonymity stopping these kinds of things, it seems to have given people the perceived right to call anyone and anything a homosexual whether its true or not and to complete strangers.

What? Noooo, go to any .chan and it's not an exclusive term - everyone is a X-fag! It's so imbued in anonymous culture that it's detracted all negative value, it isn't even regarded as defining someone's sexuality - if you're gay you're a les/gay fag, if you endorse some specific internet value (anything from boards, sites to even fetishes) you can be an old, new, fur, /soc/ /e.t.c/ fag, with the only quarrel coming from people who've had no experience with internet culture - where it seems so foreign to them and they assume that it's said as an insult, which is impossible when you insult a non-entity, an anon.  Basically, acting like they would irl on the internet.
You don't do that, generally.
When it's taken outside of anonymity, when it's said in real life, yeah that's just some people trying to insult each other by questioning their insecurity of their own sexuality. Same with gaming really.
Anonymity is a wonderful thing. Adding a face and a voice to it is enough to remove total anonymity that people have something to feed off of, whether it be positive or negative reactions, hence griefing. It's not the spawn of anonymity, it's the spawn of online console gaming.

[penguinofhonor]

What? Noooo, go to any .chan and it's not an exclusive term - everyone is a X-fag! It's so imbued in anonymous culture that it's detracted all negative value, it isn't even regarded as defining someone's sexuality - if you're gay you're a les/gay fag, if you endorse some specific internet value (anything from boards, sites to even fetishes) you can be an old, new, fur, /soc/ /e.t.c/ fag, with the only quarrel coming from people who've had no experience with internet culture - where it seems so foreign to them and they assume that it's said as an insult, which is impossible when you insult a non-entity, an anon.  Basically, acting like they would irl on the internet.
You don't do that, generally.
When it's taken outside of anonymity, when it's said in real life, yeah that's just some people trying to insult each other by questioning their insecurity of their own sexuality. Same with gaming really.
Anonymity is a wonderful thing. Adding a face and a voice to it is enough to remove total anonymity that people have something to feed off of, whether it be positive or negative reactions, hence griefing. It's not the spawn of anonymity, it's the spawn of online console gaming.

This is not actually how language works. This is how self-rightous 4channers want language to work so they can justify being dicks.

The so-called horrible console gamers make the exact same arguments. "We've used it so much that it's become ingrained in gaming culture and lost its meaning!" No, you haven't. You've just used it enough that you, personally have stopped caring about its meaning. That's not the same thing.

[Loud Whispers]

The so-called horrible console gamers make the exact same arguments. "We've used it so much that it's become ingrained in gaming culture and lost its meaning!" No, you haven't. You've just used it enough that you, personally have stopped caring about its meaning. That's not the same thing.

Gaming - Used to deliberately insult. No other meaning. An insult used to insult doesn't lose its meaning however much it's used to insult.

This is not actually how language works.

So a harmless word that gets used to insult people remains harmless irregardless of its true meaning? And that words never take on new meanings?

This is how self-rightous 4channers want language to work so they can justify being dicks.

As for this part, I think if you want to continue this train of thought it'd best depart to PM's, it'd absolutely wreck the thread if it continued here

[penguinofhonor]

I think I'll do just that.

[kaijyuu]

basically, using gay as an insult (as in, a serious insult) seems to give me the impression you are a homophobe.

Does this actually need to be said? That's kind of sad.

I wouldn't call it sad, since the word's two meanings seem to be separating. In 20 years, maybe "gay" will be 100% an insult and will be used for homosexuality as much as it's used for "happy" today. I don't think that will actually happen, but mainly because people will still be calling users of the word homophobic regardless of speaker intent (and partially because it's pretty impossible to predict how definitions of words shift over time).

[G-Flex]

basically, using gay as an insult (as in, a serious insult) seems to give me the impression you are a homophobe.

Does this actually need to be said? That's kind of sad.

I wouldn't call it sad, since the word's two meanings seem to be separating.

Dude, I don't care what "seems to be" happening. I care about what is, right now, and the current state is that the word is very much linked to homosexuality and homophobia. Homophobia is precisely the reason why it's used as an insult, and regardless of what the situation will be like 10, 20, or 100 years from now, the current circumstances are such that the word is not sufficiently removed from that context, period. The fact that this has to be pointed out is the sad part.

4chan is a really horrible example to use here, since they use the -fag nomenclature specifically because it's horribly offensive. That's sort of how they work: Utter and intentional desensitization to what most people would find terrible.

[darkrider2]

Damnit what have I done.

This is getting out of hand so I'm locking the thread.