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Xheia

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Silver vs iron morningstars?
« on: June 17, 2012, 11:58:09 am »

Are silver morningstars better than iron ones? I feel that weight is important, but so is contact area and piercing with morningstars.
What about the other low contact area weapons, such as knives (daggers, boning) and whips/scourges? Silver or iron?
[BTW I've never found any steel or adamantine in my adventure world]
I'm also not clear on how using different materials makes things sharper and edge attacks more effective - if something has a small contact area already, would it be affected much?
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Re: Silver vs iron morningstars?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2012, 11:59:59 am »

Actually, some arena !!science!! proved that COPPER morningstars are the best, weirdly enough.
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Re: Silver vs iron morningstars?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2012, 12:40:29 pm »

I think, as far as Adventure Mode is concerned, only dwarves have access to steel.

As for adamantine weapons and armour, they only come from Fortress Mode, so you'd have to run a fortress, produce the weapons, and then abandon the fort, in order to find any in Adventure Mode.

I could be wrong though, and I wouldn't mind some clarification either way.
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Re: Silver vs iron morningstars?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2012, 01:31:37 pm »

Let me check my notes . . .

Weapon material is almost irrelevant for morningstars, besides adamantine being slightly worse.  The only armor that can stand up to a morningstar with anything approaching reliability is adamantine armor, and even that's not perfect.  There's some slight differences between materials, but it's on the order of a few percentage points one way or the other, so it doesn't matter all that much. 

It's basically the same for pretty much all low contact area edged weapons.  Whips flat-out ignore armor as long as the whip isn't made of adamantine. 
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Re: Silver vs iron morningstars?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2012, 04:06:05 pm »

Steel and Adamantine are unique to Dwarves, so you'll never find a steel or adamantine weapon the Dwarves can't make, with one exception. And you'll not find any Adamantine in adventure mode, with one exception.

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Re: Silver vs iron morningstars?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2012, 04:08:06 pm »

Steel and Adamantine are unique to Dwarves, so you'll never find a steel or adamantine weapon the Dwarves can't make, with one exception. And you'll not find any Adamantine in adventure mode, with one exception.

Even then, it may be to big to wield.



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Re: Silver vs iron morningstars?
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2012, 10:06:01 am »

morningstars are basicy spiked clubs, go for density over edge.(thay do have an edge type attack but that is more for grap than damage)
platinum or lead morningstars are better than copper ones.
Even then, it may be to big to wield.
nothing is to big to wield in one hand, too slow to get more than one attack in maybe..
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Re: Silver vs iron morningstars?
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2012, 12:20:29 pm »

Iron morningstars seemed to get stuck in quite a lot more than copper and silver the last time I used them in adventure mode, but this is based on a very small sample size.
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Re: Silver vs iron morningstars?
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2012, 01:51:48 pm »

platinum or lead morningstars are better than copper ones.
I can confirm this, for the most part. I did testing of steel plate-clad humans, each being grandmaster in combat skills excluding biting, etc. I paired them up in 1v1 situations, equal footing, one having a platinum morningstar, one having a copper one. Platinum killed about twice as often, in 15 cases (but there is a bit of room for error). It seems most kills with copper morningstars were from the head being smashed, sometimes straight through the steel helm ???. I suppose the real test would be against beasts where weapon material type may potentially be more important.
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Re: Silver vs iron morningstars?
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2012, 05:18:29 pm »

Get a slade morningstar if you want a good weapon :3
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Re: Silver vs iron morningstars?
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2012, 07:15:57 pm »

Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought there were no such things as platinum/slade/lead morningstars - at least not in vanilla adventure mode.
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2012, 07:41:15 pm »

I'da thought  steel would be best, not copper. Steel has the mix between sharpness and weight. Could you link this study that shows copper as superior?
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Re: Silver vs iron morningstars?
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2012, 08:22:28 pm »

Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought there were no such things as platinum/slade/lead morningstars - at least not in vanilla adventure mode.

You can get them as artifacts from your fortresses.
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