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Author Topic: Isn't unemployment a good thing?  (Read 17654 times)

Truean

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Re: Isn't unemployment a good thing?
« Reply #195 on: May 14, 2012, 03:39:57 pm »

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It is true that any group of interacting parts can be considered a 'system'. In this sense, human society is a system; however, like any system, the whole cannot be changed without changing the individual parts, and changing the individual parts changes the system as a whole.

They system is only conceptually real; the actual components are individual people. In this case, the individual components that have conception of a system behave differently because of that conception.

The point is that the system isn't fixed; it is the product of whatever the individuals are doing. The system can't be changed without affecting individuals. The problem isn't a bad system; it's problem individuals, shielded by popular conception of systems. For example, where a problem individual is defend by the legal system, they can be defeated by convincing the populace to ignore the law. This is an example of civil disobedience, which can be made manifest, for example, in the instance of a popular revolution.

Actually changing individuals, even those on top, doesn't tend to do much. They are pressured by the rest of the system (peers, internal and external laws, logistics, economy, etc.) to behave accordingly, or be expelled. A good, honest cop can't do much, for example, if the rest of the force is corrupt and the laws shield them from repercussions - he will soon become an outcast, unless he shows some solidarity with his peers. Even changing people on the top more often than not fails - history knows many potential great reformers, who had to combat their upper classes to make any kind of change.

Convincing people is much better idea, but still it's impossible if you treat them as individual people, detached from the system. The reason is simple - the ideas spread inside the system are usually those most favorable to its stability. Mass media, for example, tend to marginalize parties and ideologies which are not the part of the mainstream, because their owners want to be taken seriously by their readers and (more importantly) advertisers. This, of course, makes contacting the society even more difficult for these groups, which isolates them even more. Soon you can't even identify with these ideologies without being labeled as a ridiculous utopist or dangerous madman, even before you manage to say anything. That's why, for example, anarchist demonstrations doesn't tend to change much - these people has been already labeled by most of the society as wackos who can't and shouldn't be treated seriously. Even if they are mentioned anywhere in media, it's usually with contempt or amusement.

If you want to convince anyone, you need to know how to do this effectively. Which ideas actually help you and which actually hurt your cause and should be avoided. Which parts of the society really are necessary and which kinda emerged because of some strange assumptions which have little basis in reality. You can't do that only by looking at the individual parts.

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This.

Pressures move the world or force it to stand still by pressing on the people in it. Corporations are all about those pressures and nice guys finishing last getting fired.

Basically same thing happens to doctors, lawyers, and other professionals. They tell me I'm supposed to be some sort of champion of rights as an attorney and ... bullshit. Public defenders, and worse yet, "appointed counsel" haven't gotten a pay raise in 25 years in this state. We're so overworked, overcharged for services and, under-supported by the law (judges are usually former prosecutors) and of course underpaid that no wonder stuff sucks for the everyday Jane or Joe. On top of that they want "Pro Bono" work.... And I pay for food how in that scenario?

Same shit happens for doctors. I know M.D.s who spend $4000/month on student loan debt for med school/college debt or more....

Those same pressures hit everyone from the guy in the mail room (who is slowly being phased out by email) to the CEO. Shareholders have a relentless drive for not just profits but obscene profits. At some point, there's an end to what profits you can make by acting legitimately; screwing other people over on the other hand, increases those potential profits a lot. Guess how much shareholders care about other people? You know what's really tragic? Corporations spend a FORTUNE on PR and advertising to make them look good. If they just weren't dicks to begin with, then they wouldn't have to.
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