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GreatWyrmGold

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Goblin Sieges Bring Cannon Fodder
« on: April 08, 2012, 07:21:24 am »

The basic idea is this: In order to weaken your defenses, goblins send a wave of weak, expendable "troops" at you. These would distract and wound your military and clog up your traps. There are a few categories of cannon fodder they might use, described in order of complexity:

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Spoiler: Convicts and Prisoners (click to show/hide)


So...what do you think? Too much, even for goblins? Other ideas of goblin cannon fodder? Etc? I'm never very good at this part...

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Re: Goblin Sieges Bring Cannon Fodder
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2012, 07:37:40 am »

I could definatly see the goblins using convicts and prisoners but they're would need to be a goblin with a whip to keep the rest in line and keep them forward
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Re: Goblin Sieges Bring Cannon Fodder
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2012, 07:40:07 am »

Yeah, replacing whips from weapons to a sort of tool-weapon, and having a lasher lead a squad of prisoners which would have a high chance of breaking formation and running if the goblin wasn't there to hit them would be cool.
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Re: Goblin Sieges Bring Cannon Fodder
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2012, 07:45:05 am »

Without such a goblin, they'd likely surrender, like I mentioned. Of course, a nearby axegoblin could step in to pick up the slack...
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Re: Goblin Sieges Bring Cannon Fodder
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2012, 11:34:21 am »

I could definatly see the goblins using convicts and prisoners but they're would need to be a goblin with a whip to keep the rest in line and keep them forward

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Re: Goblin Sieges Bring Cannon Fodder
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2012, 12:26:22 pm »

makes sense to me, but they would need a goblin squad controlling these, if no goblin is nearby they would be running away.
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Re: Goblin Sieges Bring Cannon Fodder
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2012, 03:16:08 pm »

Hmm, seems like a good idea, but I'm not sure if goblins actually have prisoners, because of their ethics. However, this would work equally well for other races, especially humans.
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Re: Goblin Sieges Bring Cannon Fodder
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2012, 04:13:26 pm »

Kobolds would be a good enemy for them to drive forward.  Perhaps wolves as well.  And these might flee without their leader.

Honestly, I think that goblin raids need more tactical AI.  They should have some objective beyond path to the meeting area and slay whatever is in your path.  Perhaps they should be trying to steal artifacts from your fortress or to slay particular nobles or things like that?
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Re: Goblin Sieges Bring Cannon Fodder
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2012, 09:47:52 am »

I always thought that goblins were coming to dwarven fortresses to kill as many dwarves as possible. Either that, or as an initiation rite into goblin frats.
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Re: Goblin Sieges Bring Cannon Fodder
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2012, 10:24:42 am »

Hmm, seems like a good idea, but I'm not sure if goblins actually have prisoners, because of their ethics. However, this would work equally well for other races, especially humans.

While it doesn't say specifically whether a race can or cannot have prisoners (However I have seen prisoners in human towns in adventure mode), here's a list of ethics that may be relevant.

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   [ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_FUN:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:ASSAULT:PERSONAL_MATTER]
   [ETHIC:SLAVERY:PERSONAL_MATTER]
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Re: Goblin Sieges Bring Cannon Fodder
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2012, 10:59:47 am »

Which says if a Goblin General/Ruler WANTED slaves, they'd pop up.
So it could vary from Siege to Siege wether they bring Fodder or not.
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