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San-A

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Question about multiple aquifers
« on: March 22, 2012, 07:31:11 pm »

I have been through the wiki section about how to deal with aquifers, see http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Aquifer. The cave-in method for single aquifer seems quite easy. However, when there is more than one, it seems that every method require water pumping. Why can't we just apply the cave-in method for a single aquifer, then repeat exactly the same job within the block that dropped into the first aquifer layer? Assuming the block is large enough, I don't see why it would involve pumping out water...
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Re: Question about multiple aquifers
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2012, 07:41:16 pm »

How are you going to get beneath the block that you just caved in in order to remove its support to drop it into the next aquifer layer, given that the layer beneath said block is an aquifer layer?

You can use the cave-in method to pierce multi-level aquifers, but it's somewhat more complicated than that. I've done it for a 2-level aquifer and could've used it for a deeper one, but the only time I've embarked on a place with an aquifer more than 2 levels thick it was in stone and there as an incredibly convenient series of non-aquifer large clusters that lead me through the whole mess.

Basically, actually caving in through multiple z-levels of aquifer involves making a series of concentric rings, each detached from the other but supported, then caving in the outermost ring to get through the top aquifer. Then, you remove the material within the caved-in right; there will be water, whether you dug out all of the walls beforehand or not, because since you didn't cave in the inside tiles the aquifer tag wasn't cleared off of them, and even aquifer tiles totally disconnected from all others produce water in limitless amounts. As such, this involves at least one pump. Then, you repeat the process with the next z-level, caving in the next ring, then the next, and so on, until you're caving in the central block that you can actually go through to the other side of the aquifer.
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Re: Question about multiple aquifers
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2012, 07:53:49 pm »

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How are you going to get beneath the block that you just caved in in order to remove its support to drop it into the next aquifer layer, given that the layer beneath said block is an aquifer layer?
:-[ Yes indeed

It seems most of embark areas got more than one aquifer layer, unfortunately...

Well I'll just have to pump then  >:(
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Re: Question about multiple aquifers
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2012, 08:28:55 pm »

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How are you going to get beneath the block that you just caved in in order to remove its support to drop it into the next aquifer layer, given that the layer beneath said block is an aquifer layer?
:-[ Yes indeed

It seems most of embark areas got more than one aquifer layer, unfortunately...

Well I'll just have to pump then  >:(
I found embarking on the very edge of an aquifer works great because you can dig around and under when needed plus you have a clean, easy and permanent water source for wells and washing.
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Re: Question about multiple aquifers
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2012, 09:05:33 pm »

If the map isn't flat, getting 2-3 plugs setup in the same place shouldn't be that difficult. Start with a 5x5 plug, then a 4x4, then a 3x3. You only need 6 z layers above the aquifer to accomplish that.
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Re: Question about multiple aquifers
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2012, 09:07:09 pm »

it seems that every method require water pumping.

Why not just let it freeze? It doesn't work in every embark, but most areas have at least some period during the year when above-ground water is frozen.
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Re: Question about multiple aquifers
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2012, 05:52:25 am »

If the map isn't flat, getting 2-3 plugs setup in the same place shouldn't be that difficult. Start with a 5x5 plug, then a 4x4, then a 3x3. You only need 6 z layers above the aquifer to accomplish that.
I don't quite understand... Can you detail a bit please?  :)

Why not just let it freeze? It doesn't work in every embark, but most areas have at least some period during the year when above-ground water is frozen.

Do you mean digging down and placing walls around the staircase before the ice turns to water?
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Re: Question about multiple aquifers
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2012, 06:09:33 am »

Hrm, rethinking it, you'd need a 7x7, 5x5, and 3x3 to get through 3 layers of aquifer. Silly me.

But really it's just a matter of digging a correctly sized hole in the aquifer and dropping non-aquifer natural walls into it. You can then dig through that, and down into the next level, and repeat.
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Re: Question about multiple aquifers
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2012, 06:45:37 am »

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If the map isn't flat,
This is what I would like to understand. Do you mean that if the map isn't flat then it's possible to dig through the aquifer without pumping?
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Re: Question about multiple aquifers
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2012, 02:41:53 pm »

Unless you can freeze the water in a cold season, you will need a pump for every multi-layer aquifer
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