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Carnes

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Re: The World Without Death
« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2012, 02:22:58 pm »

It probably wouldn't matter if you couldn't learning anything new.  You'd still have a functioning short-term memory and be able to learn names and new taks.  You just wouldn't retain it.  It also seems that shoving the google/wikipedia implant into your brain would solve most long-term memory problems. 
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Re: The World Without Death
« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2012, 02:26:50 pm »

It probably wouldn't matter if you couldn't learning anything new.  You'd still have a functioning short-term memory and be able to learn names and new taks.  You just wouldn't retain it.  It also seems that shoving the google/wikipedia implant into your brain would solve most long-term memory problems.

Well technically since your synapses would be able to remember everything better and better...

Basically your memory gets much better, and even the vaguest of things would be able to trigger lost memories being remembered :D

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« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2012, 03:06:56 pm »

It seems pretty bizarre to me to make an argument along the lines of "it would suck to be immortal, because your brain would still age and you wouldn't be able to adapt and learn new skills." I thought the very definition of immortal is that your body doesn't age, brain included. If we're assuming your body remains young indefinitely, it seems to follow that your brain would also remain in that 25ish-year-old state where it can easily learn new skills, since the loss of that plasticity is exactly one of those aging effects that any form of immortality would have to cure in order to be immortality. I can imagine forms of immortality that would be a curse, but they all seem to require some kind of special rule that defies logic, i.e. you have 'x' but you don't have 'y' which would logically follow from 'x'.

Granted, even if your brain doesn't lose any of its capabilities with time, you still might run into a limit on the knowledge you can retain/skills you can learn - I'd hope our brains are capable of adapting and forgetting unused skills/knowledge in that case, but the 'hardwired' argument is certainly plausible. Even if it's true though, I just can't see it being that big of a problem - if we had a way to prevent the entire body from aging (not entirely implausible, literally there are scientists working on it right now) then fixing any side effects this had on the brain's ability to adapt to excessive information/skill storage would be equally plausible. Of course it's all science fiction/fantasy for now, I'm just saying by the time we can stop the body from aging, we can probably do something about the brain running into a capacity limit too.

Of course that's all just physical capabilities, emotionally speaking there's always the possibility that people would run into the "tired of life" syndrome like Tolkien's elves. But I see that as less of a 'curse' that naturally afflicts an immortal, and more of a personal issue that would trouble some (there are people that get tired of life in the mere 75 years we already have!), but not necessarily everyone.
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Re: The World Without Death
« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2012, 03:57:38 pm »

That argument (fixing aging to create immortality) is basicaly what I said would need to happen for immortality to not be a horrible experience.
I then elaborated as to why that is. That's all. The immortal's neurology would need novel neurogenesis, and aggressive pruning/regeneration.

(Consequently, this means they would be able to survive truamatic brain injuries much better than ordinary mortal people.)

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Re: The World Without Death
« Reply #49 on: March 01, 2012, 04:05:35 pm »

Lol obviously you don't age physically and mentally as an immortal, that would just be retarded and pretty much defeats the whole point. You'd get ridiculously old and decrepit ! xD


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« Reply #50 on: March 01, 2012, 05:21:57 pm »

Which then leads to "it would suck hard if you got stuck with that kind of immortality when you weren't an adult yet".
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Re: The World Without Death
« Reply #51 on: March 01, 2012, 05:30:29 pm »

Peter Pan et al. didn't seem to think so.
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« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2012, 05:52:26 pm »

The dying and in pain can't die, over-population, no insurance that this is the type of immortality with absolute regeneration. So get into an accident, possibly spend the rest of eternity as a living splat mark. People might need to still eat, so food is not infinite VS the mass numbers, so we would end up eternally starving.

Pretty much, there are so many factors that could turn something that should be awesome into a nightmare. It just isn't funny.

You watched Miracle Day, didn't you?

(And if you didn't, I recommend it.)
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