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Zeebie

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Figuring out a tantrum source
« on: February 05, 2012, 02:43:51 pm »
At the end of my last siege I had a metalworker throw a tantrum.  I figured it was because of the deaths, so I checked the details - no unhappy thoughts except for "the tragedy of art defacement."  Tons of happy thoughts.  I can't figure out how a siege could have led to art defacement - could armor or a weapon have been destroyed in combat (does that happen)? Any ideas?
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Re: Figuring out a tantrum source
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2012, 02:45:40 pm »
Maybe a thief made off with a bit of masterwork armor or weapon while you were cleaning up, or did you atomsmash/magmadump any gear? Assuming he isnt some kind of legendary architect who had a "masterwork" design trollsmashed or suchlike.
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Re: Figuring out a tantrum source
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2012, 03:08:43 pm »
Art defacement gives a bad thought of 1000 divided by the number of masterworks the dwarf has made.  If the dwarf has only ever made one masterwork, destroying it gives a bad thought large enough to instantly put him to miserable.  If he's made a lot of masterworks, losing one isn't so bad.

As for how it happened, did he make any masterwork bolts?  If a bolt got stuck in a goblin and the goblin left the map, that counts as it being stolen.  Or a kobold could have grabbed armor or weapons and left with them.
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Re: Figuring out a tantrum source
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2012, 04:00:02 pm »
Quote from: Sphalerite on February 05, 2012, 03:08:43 pm
As for how it happened, did he make any masterwork bolts?  If a bolt got stuck in a goblin and the goblin left the map, that counts as it being stolen.

My money is on this.  I've seen it happen with wooden bolts.  Frustrating, but the best medicine is to make sure he produces plenty of bolts.  I assume that at least 10 stacks would be enough to prevent him from immediately tantruming at the loss, since a dwarf goes from ecstatic to miserable by losing 100 "happiness", right?  Or can dwarves go over 100 happiness?

Just making tons of bolts would help regardless though.
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Re: Figuring out a tantrum source
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2012, 04:42:01 pm »
There is no known maximum on a dwarf's happiness - it starts at 100 (middle of "quite content") and goes up/down from there.
* 0 - "miserable"
* 1-25 - "very unhappy"
* 26-50 - "unhappy"
* 51-75 - "fine"
* 76-125 - "quite content"
* 126-150 - "happy"
* >150 - "ecstatic"
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Re: Figuring out a tantrum source
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2012, 05:02:59 pm »
Do they instantly become insane the moment they go below 0?
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Re: Figuring out a tantrum source
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2012, 09:23:26 pm »
Quote from: Tirion on February 05, 2012, 05:02:59 pm
Do they instantly become insane the moment they go below 0?

A tantrum is not a type of insanity. Once they are done tantruming and calm down they will go back to normal. However during a tantrum they may go insane, same as when they stay unhappy for too long, especially if something happens to annoy them further.
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Re: Figuring out a tantrum source
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2012, 09:44:56 pm »
You've probably been melting his masterworks.
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Re: Figuring out a tantrum source
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2012, 12:39:41 am »
Quote from: Tirion on February 05, 2012, 05:02:59 pm
Do they instantly become insane the moment they go below 0?

I'm pretty sure the answer to this is no.  I don't know if a dwarf has to stay at or below 0 for a certain period to go insane, or if their happiness has to go a certain level below 0 before they go insane.  Or if it's even known.  Anyone happen to know?  Would be useful information.
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Re: Figuring out a tantrum source
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2012, 01:45:57 am »
Quote from: Telgin on February 06, 2012, 12:39:41 am
Quote from: Tirion on February 05, 2012, 05:02:59 pm
Do they instantly become insane the moment they go below 0?

I'm pretty sure the answer to this is no.  I don't know if a dwarf has to stay at or below 0 for a certain period to go insane, or if their happiness has to go a certain level below 0 before they go insane.  Or if it's even known.  Anyone happen to know?  Would be useful information.

Dwarf Therapist tells you their happiness level. AFAIK the time it takes for them to go insane is dependent on personality traits and how low their happiness is.
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Re: Figuring out a tantrum source
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2012, 03:51:16 am »
highest happiness I ever saw was 2000+

just had a baby boy. They must have wanted a son really bad
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