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For all your weirdly interesting philosophizing and debating over probably pointless things.


I'll start:

Sally is in a room with two baskets and a marble. She puts the marble in basket 1 and leaves the room.

Ann comes in the room and unbeknown to Sally she moves the marble from basket 1 to basket 2.

Sophie meets Sally and asks where the marble is.

Sally says it is in basket 2.


Is Sally a liar?

Why is it that new games that derive from a game in a genre that has few other games in it are often labelled mere 'clones' (often with a negative meaning)?

While on the other hand we have genres that literally churn out hundreds of virtually identical games each year, like shooters football games or racing games?

It seems people will only accept games deriving from genre defining ones after there have been several other games doing the same.

Dwarf fortress also suffered from this badly. Every game derived from it was instantly branded a ripoff and now it seems to become less as more similar games are made.

I was following the news about Syria and Libya and how the armed insurrections basically turned them into failed states.

Than the following question came into my mind:

Has ANY long term insurrection ever led to the establishment of a democracy in a country?


The only examples I can think of are wars of independence , but those are kind off another category. I can't come up with any example of something like that happening in another scenario.

I would like to start a topic about WHY so many people believe in conspiracy theories that (in my opinion) or completely devoid of fact and why reason is failing to resolve the debate.

Things that I have seen recently:

International space station doesn't exist
Holocaust did not happen
Moon landing are a hoax
9/11 conspiracy shit
Nukes don't exist

and of course:

The flat earth society - http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/cms/


I will take the flat earth society as an example. If you take a look at those forums you can see how many people try to come up with completely sound evidence of why the earth is round, only to be refuted by arguments such "did you witness that yourself" personal attacks, statements that the used sources are not accurate or simply by ignoring entire arguments and focusing on details. etc. etc.

You will see the same in virtually any other conspiracy discussion.

Does this demonstrate a failure in reason to triumph over ignorance and fallacies?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/11015672/Wikipedia-refuses-to-delete-photo-as-monkey-owns-it.html

An interesting legal question concerning a monkey that steals a camera from a photographer and the photographer claiming the copyright.

A lot of people seem to say that the photo is public domain because they say Slater isn't the creator and the monkey can't own copyright.

Before giving my personal opinion I would like to ask what you think about this issue?

I am currently trying to build a magma lift using minecarts, but one of the carts got stuck on the bottom floor because of an roller setting error. The problem is (because the cart is filled with magma?) My dwarfs won't touch the cart or de-construct the roller it is stuck on even though I drained the floor of magma. Is there any way I can manually destroy the minecart? I don't mind cheating.

Does anyone still play this game? The old thread is 3 years old. I always thought it was kinda a niche game, and that it would retain some popularity over the years. But it seems the official forums are pretty dead.

Anyway, I wanted to share some shippies I made with you


Myst class heavy fighter (got the lighter version somewhere on my other pc)


Lavos Corvette:

Lucius class Battleship:


Lucius zoomed: