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DF Modding / Severity effect on syndromes (!!SCIENCE!! thread)

« on: February 24, 2019, 07:16:47 pm »

I have been messing around trying to mod some syndromes the past few days and while the wiki page does explain how to make one, it seems to lack data on how exactly severity alters the syndromes effect. So I did some testing and hopefully other modders will find the results useful.

Disclaimer: I'm inexperienced to both how the testing arena works and DF modding so my test might not be accourate enough.

Acronyms:
io: indirect observer, when you don't control any creature
dc: direct control, when you control a creture like adventure mode

The Test:

The test itself involved a custom creature (basically a copy of a human) with a custom interaction that applied whatever syndrome I was testing. After the interaction has been activated (once, and it had the [ABRUPT] token) I would let time pass (usually without direct control of the test subject) and monitor the results. Due to my reaction times the actuall numbers in some cases might not be accourate but I believe they are still within an acceptable range to draw some conclusions.

Dizzines:

SEV range: 0 - 9 899 No effect was show in either wounds (io) or health (dc) screen.
SEV range: 9 900 - 1 000 000 Both io and dc reported the creature as "dizzy". On dc mode, speed dropped from 1.0 to 0.500 whatever that means.

Fever:

Regardless the severity value on io mode, it only reported the creature's status as "Fever". On dc mode however there were more details.
Also, despite what the wiki page on symptoms say, no stunning was observed at these SEV ranges.

SEV range: 0 - 9 899 No Effect.
SEV range: 9 900 - 499 899 Slight Fever.
SEV range: 499 900 - 999 899 Moderate Fever.
SEV range: 999 900 - 100 000 000 Serious Fever.

Nausea:

Sev value seems to not have any effect on the amount of vomit produced and again cotrary to what is said in the wiki page, no dehydration status was observed even on the highest value after a test duration of ~37 000 phases/ticks.

SEV range: 1 000 - 9 899 No Efect.
SEV range: 9 900 - 100 000 000 Nauseus.

Drowsyness:

1. This test relies heavily on the information given on the wiki page on sleep.The 0 SEV values are taken from the wiki and repressent my baseline. I combined the 50 000 and 54 000 thresholds for sleeping and just used their average (52 000) for simplicity.
2. The phases/tick values on the Drowsy/Very Drowsy statuses might be affected by the fact that the test subject had be forced to stay awake and I used combat for that (set as "horseplay").
3. Despite having the [ABRUPT] token, CE_DROWSINESS won't make the creature fall asleep instantly.
4. Due to the very large SEV values, I will use 1 000 "SEV" as a base unit so 0.001 = 1, 0.5 = 500, 750 = 750 000....
5. The values under Sleep/Drowsy/V.Drowsy are how many ticks it took until the respective symptom showed up. Drowsiness Rate (D.Rate) is how many Drowsinness point on avearge the test subject acquired in each tick.

Severity Sleep Drowsy V.Drowsy D.Rate

0 52 000 57 600 150 000 1
0.001 50 092 N/A N/A 1.038
0.1 25 125 N/A N/A 2.0697
0.25 16 848 N/A N/A 3.0864
0.5 8 515 10 305 N/A 5.8482
1 4 700 6 000 N/A 10.33
2.5 2 026 N/A N/A 25.66
5 1 000 1 173 3 273 48.98
7.5 684 N/A N/A 76.02
10 545 N/A N/A 95.41
100 N/A 66 N/A 872
250 N/A 23 59 2 523
500 N/A 11 29 5 204
750 N/A 8 N/A 7 200
1 000 N/A 5 14 11 117
1 250 N/A 5 12 12 010 (At this point the drowsiness was increasing too much in each tick to properly measure it for the "Drowsy" level)
1 500 N/A 2 9 16 666

From the data above it seems like there is a linear correlation between the severity value and how quickly it reaches the point where it has to sleep. At low SEV values the creature will never reach the drowsy/very drowsy status unless it can not sleep for some reason. At higher levels the creature will jump directly to the coresponding drowsiness status but still it will not fall asleep instantly.

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Mod Releases / [44.12] Hypans - Primitive civilization mod v0.32[WIP]

« on: February 20, 2019, 04:17:52 pm »

Hypans is a collective term for various human tribes that splintered from their parent civilizations at some point in time. Living in isolation most of them never developed beyond the hunter/gatherer state and have adopted a nomadic lifestyle, relying on bone or even wooden tools for their everyday needs. Some of them however have chosen to form more permanent settlements. These tribes would often establish trade relations with neardby towns resulting in a flow of goods and technological knowledge.

- "On The Human Species", Urist Alestride, Explorer/Cartographer -

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0. DISCLAIMER:
This is still in a "work in progress" state and as of 18/10/19 this post needs to be rewritten as it doesn't discribe the latest changes properly...

Any suggestions or feedback is welcomed.

1. About the mod:

The goal of this mod is to provide a higher challenge than vanilla Dwarf Fortress, without altering the gameplay too drastically. To that end, I have chosen to limit what resources are available to the Hypan Civ:

Metalworking is limited to a few basic items (maces, battle axes, picks, arrows,) that can only be made out of copper. The forging of metal weapons and smelting of copper ores will take place in two new workshops, the primitive forge and the primitive smelter respectively.
Most of the hypan specific reactions for weapons and tools will be available at the "primitive tools' category in the craftsman's workshop. Wooden and bone arrows can be made in bulk (stacks of 25) at the bowyer's workshop.
Wooden spikes, wooden spiked balls and wooden cages are still available as trap components.The rest of the trap components are available through trade.
A new item the "Leather Jack" is basicaly the same as the standard Leather Armor but it's worn in the "over" instead of the "armor" layer in order to allow breastplates to be worn over it. Think about it as a gambeson.
Farming as a labour has been disabled in order to provide a bigger incentive for hunting, fishing and plant gathering. I don't expect food shortages to be a problem but it should limit the effectiveness of turtling as a defensive tactic. The mason's workshop has been disabled to reduce the incentive to mine out your fortress in stone and (maybe) force the players to choose between weapon production (ie bone arrows) or trade goods (ie bone crafts). Prepared meals and traps can still be exploited...
Trading with other civs is far more important as it's now a major source for higher quality equipment/tools. Raids (assuming they work correctly) and sieges should serve as an interesting alternative.
Hypans are considered adults as soon as they reach their 6th year but have a shorter lifespan compared to other creatures in hopes of forcing players to replace their workforce/military more frequently. They are also about the same size as humans (same average but should tend to be shorter) meaning that they should have a slight advantage in combat and they can use two handed weapons BUT they can't use regular steel armor since dwarves won't produce armor for their size. For now they can also enter in battle trances and they learne striking, dodging, wrestling and kicking 20% faster.
There a few premade embark builds for anyone who might be interested in them.
There is now the option to play without any priorly domesticated animals meaning you won't be getting any caravans from your parent civ, you will only get the first two migrant waves and those migrants will not bring any pets with them.I've made a workaround to get more migrants using dfhack but i'm not sure if or how well it works.

2. Installation:

*The mod is intented to be played with DFHack so certain labours can be disabled without having to disable their whole category. Playing without DFHack is possible but players will now have access to farming so try not use it, I guess.*

Only use the version that corresponds to the graphics you are using. As of version 0.1 , supported tileset are the vanilla DF's ASCII and Phoebus graphic's set (for now the mod uses the human graphics for the hypans).
Place the mod's raw files in their respective folders within your DF folder (raw/objects to raw/objects , raw/graphics to raw/graphics etc). Replace the old ones where necessary. You might want to keep a back up of anyhting that gets replaced.
If you don't want to play with already domesticated animals reaplace the entity_hypan.txt inside Dwarf Fortress 0.44.12/raw/objects folder with the one inside the "no trade". This will also mean that you are going to get any caravans from your parent civ or any more migrants after the first two migrant waves that are hardcoded.

3. Credits:

Tarn and Zach Adams for creating Dwarf Fortress in the first place.
Random_Dragon, his Kobold Kamp mod was an inspiration for me and I often used his work as a template
Phoebus and everyone else that has worked/added on "Phoebus's graphics set".
Sackhead, for his More Leather Mod

4. Changelog:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

0.1 Initial release
0.2 Noble system tweaks, personality changes
0.25 Changed Noble positions again to fit the Civ(lore) better. Bone and wooden arrows are now made by bowyers at bowyer's workshop.
Anvils are now required to build a primitive forges. Crucibles are now required to build a primitive smelters.
Hypans will now justify eating sapients/kill if extreme reason.
0.26 Initial version of "Bad Health" system.
Bone daggers no longer require wood. Should help with surviving in areas without trees.
0.27   Bad Health system has been turned off for now.
         Gave Dwarven and Human civs a reaction for making clay crucibles.
         Allowed crucibles to be made of hard materials. (for testing).
         Reduced the amount of hypan starting civs and the amount of hypan historical figures.
         Gave the Hypans access to outdoor farming. They still won't be able to farm but you can now embark with alcohol.
         Changed the name of "bone daggers" to "daggers"
         Removed [STRANGE_MOODS] from hypans.
         Increased the size of both "Wooden Clubs" and "Great Wooden Clubs" from 800 to 850 and from 1300 to 1400 respectively.
0.28   Tribe Leaders should now get promoted to Chieftain when the position becomes available.
         Chieftain can now appoint Great Hunters too.
         Removed crucibles as a necessary item for the Primitive Smelter, because trade caravans don't seem to bring any of them.
         Dwarven/Human trade progress triggers has been changed from population to production.
0.30 Reintroduced Crucibles for testing. They are not used anywhere.
         Reduced the penetrations depth of the hatchet's edge attack.
         Enabled production/trade triggers for both caravans and sieges.
         Gave hypans a reaction for making stone blocks since they don't have access to masons. Building with only raw stones were too much of a hassle
         and required too much mining in order to build anything out of it. This is also meant to make areas with less trees more viable since you'll be chewing up
         those logs making ammunition/weapons.
         Changed what types of clothing are available for crafting.
         Removed currency.
         Hypans now choose names from the VIOLENT,FREEDOM,MYTHIC and MYSTERY symbol groups.
         Increased the size of both "Wooden Clubs" and "Great Wooden Clubs" from 850 to 2000 and from 1400 to 4000 respectively.
         Changed "plates vest" to "plated coat". It is now made out of 3 copper bars and a tanned animal skin. Extended the covered parts to the upper arms and both upper and lower legs.
         Removed wood from the reagents in the reaction to produce large copper daggers.
         Removed mandates from the "Chieftain" position. They will still have demands.
         Added an option for wooden slabs. (not usable/engrave-able for now)
         Lowered the chances for fliers to appear in the map. You are supposed to hunt for your food and hunters don't work with that.
         Added a hotkey ('T') for the for the primitive tools category.
         Added some custom embark profiles. (If you have 44 points remaining you are MISSING the pick).
         Charcoal reaction no longer makes ash bars as byproducts. There is now a different reaction for that, in order to avoid item clutter.
         Removed the "Tribe leader" position. With the exception of the "Master of the hunt" all other position are now available from the start.
         Added a reaction for stone querns at the craftsman's workshop.
         Horses and dogs are the only animals available at embark.
0.31   Hypans can now salvage pieces from chain mail shirts and chain leggings and use them to make armor for their use. This is mostly intended to use "smal" versions of said items.
         Removed death from the hypan pantheon.
         Lowered some stress related personality values
         Removed mason as a permitted job
         Disabled the MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE token
         Added the More Leather Mod by Sackhead.
0.32   Restored most of the labors. The mod will now rely on DFHack's "change-build-menu" script to limit available workshops.
            While hypans won't have access to Mason's Workshop, a mason will still be usefull as he is necessary for certain constructions like bridges, trade depots etc when these are to be made of stone materials.
            The custom reaction for making stone blocks will now use the mason's labor instead of the stonecrafter's.
            Wooden Slabs can be engraved now.
            Gave hypans the ability to produce clay products and thus also clay crucibles. Primitive Smelter now needs a crucible as well.

         Removed the custom reactions for ash and charcoal. Their production will happen at the Wood Furnace like in vanilla DF.
         Removed demands from the chieftain position, because it can ask for items that are impossible to produce localy.
         Law enforcment responsibilities have been moved from chieftain to exemplar. Chieftains can no longer be used to form a squad.
         Exemplar's execution skill changed from dagger to mace. Exemplars can now form squads.
         Removed "build morale" responsibilities from exemplar.
         Progress triggers are now based on production/trade for every race except the goblins. Goblins have all of the triggers enabled.


         Removed the option to forge copper armor. Post embark, metal armor will only be available through trade or salvaging equipment.
         Restored hives as a craftable tool. This is to better allow settlements in evil areas were most vegetation is dead and thus unsuable for brewing.
         Set a DFHack script to run on auto sending a migrant wave every 3 months. (for the no caravan version). Needs testing.
         Removed some clothing options.
         The reaction for bone daggers will no longer consume the whole stack of bones.
         Primitive forges are built by weaponsmiths now.
         Added a new workshop (Scrap yard) where all salvage reactions will take place.
            [SHAPED] metal armor pieces can now be turned into metal arrowheads. These can in turn be made into crude arrows at the bowyer's workshop. Metal arrowheads are considered as ammo so they can be
            produced in stacks. Consider whether to disable them from your main ammo stockpile.
            Chainmail pieces can be broken down to "chain mail sheets", which can be used to make mail armors, coifs, and mail leg guards. They are stored in "Finished goods" stockpiles with the "tool" option on.
            I suggest you use a different Scrapyard for each proccess type (one for breaking down equipment and one for producing armor). That way you can control with stockpile links what type of items get broken down
            and what can be stored for actual use / trading.
         Removed the wood requirement from forged weapons reactions.
         Replaced hatchets with vanilla DF's battle axes.
         Added reactions for making fuel using lignite/bituminous coal.
         High/low boots and breastplates can now also be made out of shells or bones.
         Picks can now be made out of bone. It used to need horn but then they wouldn't be stored in weapon stockpiles.
         Fixed some errors in the raws.
         Removed [RELIGION_SPHERE:TREES] and [RELIGION_SPHERE:FREEDOM] from the hypan pantheon. Civs tended to have too many gods which in addition to constant rain could lead to severe stress problems for citizen's who worship
         more than one god.
         Wooden statues can now be made at the carpenter's workshop.
         Increased the skill learning rates of wrestling, strinking, kicking, dodging skills by 20% for testing.

5. Known issues:

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Life Advice / About smartphones, forced obsolence and paranoia. General advice??

« on: January 28, 2019, 02:13:41 pm »

1) I did a quick search in the forum but I couldn't find any thread specifically about smartphones, so I thought I'd start one.
2) The "generic computer" thread is on Life advice too so, I guess this is the correct board.
3) I personaly have a specific question, but I think the thread could eventually serve as a generic one.

My phone is an iphone 5s. Yes, it's getting old but it's still fuctional in what I want it for, namely phonecalls, sms, messages in general (viber/facebook) and a bit of browsing. I 'm not playing any games on it and I don't plan to either. Due to the numerous reports about performance issues with iOS11, I had decided against updating it so it's still running iOS 9.3.1, the version it had when I got it (second hand, about a year ago).

Now that iOS12 has been out for a while, the question wheter to update is up in the air again. Looking around in the web, I found some articles that claimed that the new update "breathed new life in their old devices" but pretty much all of them seem to be based on the results of the same test, which compared phones running on iOS 10.3.3/ 11.0/ 11.4.1/ 12.0 GM while focusing mostly on the 11.4.1 vs 12 part so it's not really comperable with my case. Any info/advice you might have will be appreciated.

Edit (30/1/2019): For anyone that might find it useful, I went ahead and did the update last night. The phone works fine so far, there seems to be a very slight lag sometimes but it’s pretty insignificant. ~~Also I haven’t noticed any change regarding the battery life but it still pretty early.~~

edit (12/2/19): Battery problems are here. It seems like the battery indicator doesn't report the charge level correctly anymore, searching the internet I found two probable causes : 1) battery is failing 2)
the software can't "read" the charge level correctly. Seeing how reseting the battery (complete drain -. full charge) hasn't fixed it, it seems like a new battery is in order.

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DF Gameplay Questions / How to deal with unhappy/depressed dwarves?

« on: February 27, 2018, 08:12:17 am »

Urist McTraumatized is horrified after seeing someone die (x 50).

I guess the constant sieges and the resulting hauling of corpses has started to take a toll on my civilians. Most them are quite ok with it but I have some 6 or 7 ~~koblods~~ ..hmm no they are totaly dwarves,yes... that are extremely unhappy and are either stumbling around oblivious or they are throwing tantrums in the tavern.

Regardless of species/mods, is there some way to make unhappy dwarves, happy again? In a previous (proper dwarf) fortress in which I had someone depressed, nothing* I tried had any meaningful impact.

*the usual stuff that give happy thoughts (higher quality bedrooms, military training, extra work in the forges, more free time to socialize)

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DF Gameplay Questions / A curious case of attribute rust (maybe?)

« on: February 03, 2018, 05:31:36 am »

Hello everyone.

For the past couple of days I have been monitoring my military dwarves' skills and atrributes and I have stumbled upon one very qurious behavior. Several of my dwarves would lose some of their attributes even when they were under a training regime that should otherwise improve these very attributes.

For example, one of my dwarves would start with a toughness score of 90 (Dwarf Therapist scale) and after 18 months of (almost) constant training he would , gradualy, drop down to 86 before he would start improving again, meanwhile the rest of his attributes (strength, agility, endurance) would constantly grow. Other dwarves displayed a similar behavior in either of these attributes though not always of the same scale, usually the drops were in the range of 1-2 points. Now, that isn't necessarily a big problem but the fact remains that attribute rust is supposed to happen only when they don't train them, at least according to DFwiki and one of Toady One posts from when the attribute system was introduced.

At this point, I'm not sure if it's a bug of the base game, an issue with how DT converts the in game scores to its scale or if it's even working as intended and my dwarves just chose not train up the corresponding skills during these periods.

edit: fixed a typo in the title

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