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[sambojin]

As long as the enemies, equipment and worlds are random enough, and there does end up being a decent GM mode (and hopefully private servers) eventually, I'd say Starbound will be pretty good on longitivity.

Even just fairly minimal things could add a lot to the long-term replayability of the game. As it's meant to be a bit sand-boxxy, but with a bit of end-game structure and goals inherent as well, I can't see it getting too boring. Even just resource aquisition can enhance a game if done correctly. I do hope we'll eventually be able to create mini-quests though. The "quest-for-the-zogging-huge-rocket-launcher" would be fun I reckon

[ggamer]

Okay, so apparently a group called THE BEST GAMERS, a troll group that just kind of shits on popular games, got their terraria smearing removed from their youtube channel by the devs. Blue and Redigit never tried to contact the group, they just tried to file a DMCA suit against the video without cause, because it satirically said a few bad things about the video.

The steam thread regarding the issue (non-professional)
The explanation of the issue by THE BEST GAMERS
The actual review, which heavily relies on stylistic suck and trolling to get laughs.

While the video itself is dumb, I think that the dev's reaction was worse, and blue probably deserved to be fired/let go/quit.

Unfortunately, that means that Terraria now has only one lead dev who was never really committed to Terraria anyway, and saw it as "a testing ground".

[freeformschooler]

Thanks for digging that up. I'll read through. I never really got into the Terraria community so I didn't hear about any of this.

[Neonivek]

they just tried to file a DMCA suit against the video without cause, because it satirically said a few bad things about the video.

I really hate how easy it is to do that on Youtube. Some of my favorite channels are almost constantly down because of false claims.

Also yeah I am blaming Blue on this one. Trolling happens, people who hate your game happens. People who make tasteless bashing videos happens. To me it is far worse when a game has nothing but hype then a game that has overwhelming trolls. (as I said before... a 0/10 review tends to be much more useful then a 10/10 review)

I once heard a interview where a creator of a series actually spoke about a youtube video that harassingly makes fun of one of his games. It never even occured to him to be angry at the people who made it.

Am I saying this because I am biased against Terraria? No... In fact I recall a episode of one of my favorite internet series where it posted a bad episode (which wasn't bad, but people thought it was a real episode but it was actually supposed to be a music video) and he actually outright outcried against everyone who disliked it... I really dislike it almost anytime a creator gets angry at the public.

Also yes that does mean that sometimes I try to find flaws in games simply because of overwhelming hype requires me to. Why a game is bad is just as important as why a game is good. If you can draw possitives from a game you can draw negatives.

[Chiefwaffles]

Actually, If I'm correct, The supposed bad review was actually using a pirated version of Terraria, which was why youtube deleted the video. I may be wrong, though.

[Neonivek]

Actually, If I'm correct, The supposed bad review was actually using a pirated version of Terraria, which was why youtube deleted the video. I may be wrong, though.

Even if that was true...

[Seriyu]

I agree that in either case, even if it was a pirated copy, he had to realize it'd look bad. Sometimes you've just gotta deal, even if the real reason you're doing it is a "better" one, people are often gonna latch onto the one that makes you look worse. It's a part of PR.

[Neonivek]

I agree that in either case, even if it was a pirated copy, he had to realize it'd look bad. Sometimes you've just gotta deal, even if the real reason you're doing it is a "better" one, people are often gonna latch onto the one that makes you look worse. It's a part of PR.

Besides we don't know if blue actually tried to take it down. As I said before it is pathetically easy to do it. It is just as possible that a bunch of rabid Terraria fans did it (and BOY does Terraria have its fair share of rabid fans)

[Microcline]

Furthermore, I lost a little respect for the Terraria devs when I found out that they were caught paying people to create seemingly-original threads and strong-arming youtube officials into deleting negative reviews of Terraria.

Wait, seriously? That's impressive. Do you have any articles or other forums posts on this?

But anyway, I figured there had to be some reason for all the drama. Blue, former Terraria... something, decided to quit the Starbound community entirely because he was getting all kinds of hate directed towards him in private.

Good to hear Blue's gone.  He was a real creep (look up "The Art of Touching a Woman") who did nothing but foster animosity against Re-Logic.  It makes you wonder how he held a paid position for so long given that PR was the only responsibility he had in launching the game.  If I recall correctly the blowback from his actions against TBG was what led to his departure.

Okay, so apparently a group called THE BEST GAMERS, a troll group that just kind of shits on popular games, got their terraria smearing removed from their youtube channel by the devs. Blue and Redigit never tried to contact the group, they just tried to file a DMCA suit against the video without cause, because it satirically said a few bad things about the video.

The steam thread regarding the issue (non-professional)
The explanation of the issue by THE BEST GAMERS
The actual review, which heavily relies on stylistic suck and trolling to get laughs.

While the video itself is dumb, I think that the dev's reaction was worse, and blue probably deserved to be fired/let go/quit.

To be fair, while TBG's review relied heavily on hyperbole, all of his gripes were legitimate.  While I wouldn't trust him as a sole review, ROCKCOCK64's ruthless iconoclasm makes him a dependable source of criticism.

Unfortunately, that means that Terraria now has only one lead dev who was never really committed to Terraria anyway, and saw it as "a testing ground".

As greatorder pointed out, both Red (programming) and TiY (art assets) have left the project.  TiY is now producing sprites for Starbound at a rather prodigious rate, and I certainly feel that I got my ten dollars worth out of Terraria so I don't see anything wrong with Red taking a break from game development to spend time with his son.

[Neonivek]

I certainly feel that I got my ten dollars worth out of Terraria so I don't see anything wrong with Red taking a break from game development to spend time with his son

The problem comes more from the value of his word then the value of his game.

It is worse when the reason for him breaking his word simply lacks a strong justification.

I sometimes wonder if people actually fault the creators of Terraria at all or if they are blind to the whole thing. Even I didn't pretend Peter was totally innocent with Fable and I loved that game. It is just one of the many reasons why Hype and hypefans is not only a destructive force but one of corruption as well.

Mind you this doesn't strongly apply to Starbound except as a cautionary tale that you shouldn't believe future development goals just because a game is indie and they are earning more money at once then you would have thought possible. As well as a VERY strong warning to everyone that fans of games will justify and hide any fault of a game possible and defend it to the death and as such you should be very diligent to actually find out what a game is about especially if nothing but good things and "trolling" is said about it.

Ohh Terraria... I have such a like/hate relationship with you.

[jocan2003]

could we get back to actually talk about starbound and say all that terraria stuff on a terraria topic maybe?

[Neonivek]

could we get back to actually talk about starbound and say all that terraria stuff on a terraria topic maybe?

The problem is just how relevant it is that it becomes a black hole of conversation. It cannot be ignored but it cannot be spoken about.

Add in that not a whole lot of genuin information is known about Starbound and there is your reason.

Here is something. You want to talk about Starbound, talk about Starbound. I always find it odd when people go "Lets go back to the original topic" and yet never actually go back to the original topic, never realising that there is often a reason why the topic progressed this way.

There is very little information on Starbound, very little known about the gameplay, and all the information that gets released is mostly contextless images. As such the politics behind Starbound make a more compelling and more fruitful avenue of conversation.

It really is this or just let this topic die. It isn't being spoken about instead of Starbound. It is being spoken about in absense of anything better to talk about.

Mind you I don't know if I can balance my need to inform and my need to berrate people right now.

[mattie2009]

How about we let this thread fade, move the discussion to the Terraria thread and we can bump this thread when new information about Starbound pops up. It's not like this thread will vanish forever if it leaves page 1. New information sparks new discussion, this thread isn't going to die any time soon.

[Neonivek]

How about we let this thread fade, move the discussion to the Terraria thread and we can bump this thread when new information about Starbound pops up. It's not like this thread will vanish forever if it leaves page 1. New information sparks new discussion, this thread isn't going to die any time soon.

Sensible.

[jocan2003]

How about we let this thread fade, move the discussion to the Terraria thread and we can bump this thread when new information about Starbound pops up. It's not like this thread will vanish forever if it leaves page 1. New information sparks new discussion, this thread isn't going to die any time soon.

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