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My post mentioned explicitly that it only applies to those who actually consider themselves of the same culture as the country in question. A failure to integrate (due to aforementioned lack of patriotism, possibly stemming from a "glory days are behind us" attitude in culture) means that the new-coming immigrants would not also suffer this issue. It's a curious confluence of economics and culture.

That is, it's not the economic model that hurts birth rates. It's the economic effect on culture that does.

So breed faster

Also, that talk about immigrants replacing the natives being equivalent to genocide is the kind of thing white supremacists like to spout. Not neccesarily accusing you of being one lagslayer, I'm just saying be careful with that kind of talk. And for the record, I'm white too.

edit: Also, since you're American, lets use an American example. We have a similar sort of issue, if you will, with hispanics and others, minorities will become the majority by 2050 or so, do you see them inflicting their laws on the natives? No.

edit2: And please point to me where it says in international law that doing this qualifies as genocide.

But the numbers just don't add up. I'm not sure what kind of time scale you think this plan has, but if such a plan existed, at current rates it would take centuries for it to actually work. If this was truly an effort to kill off the native population, as you said, there should be a hell of a lot more effort in actually... y'know, killing off the native population. Instead it's 10 people here, 15 there; every time resulting in the arrest or death of the perpetrator. It just makes no sense.

So... everything is money/capital and hippy culture from the 60s?

Is it merely the timeline you object to, that the things that are tried don't stop the extremists in their tracks immediately, right now, not a second longer?

'Cause, I mean, you just seem to think that genocide will stop things. You mentioned this earlier:

Quote from: Lagslayer on June 06, 2017, 07:53:04 pm

You can't kill an idea with bullets, but you can certainly stop the people who spout it.

You can kill some of the people that spout the message at any one time. We live in a media world, though. Those killings will be reported.

"Why were these people killed?" you might hear.

"They believed the West hates them." will be the retort.

"Perhaps they have a point. What else did they say?"

You can't kill an idea, man.

Quote from: Ispil on June 06, 2017, 08:59:56 pm

Here we actually get to the root of the problem- people who feel out of place in a country they call home, being told a siren's song from the lands of their parents of a heritage they might actually recognize. Sure, we could kill the sirens, but these days such songstresses exist across the internet, so we could never get to them all. We could eradicate those who feel disenfranchised, and use it as an example to others who might follow a similar path, but wouldn't that make them feel more like outsiders than before? If they are foreigners due to a lack of shared culture, history, and language, have you considered challenging them on a cultural front? Maybe this whole crisis speaks to a lack of cultural pride and patriotism across your entire nation, which is starting to show in second and third generation immigrants who still feel like foreigners?

Maybe this whole crisis is nothing but a symptom of an even larger one, not fought in the minds of foreigners but all of your countrymen?

How did I miss that?

I agree with what I think you're implying. Different cultures shouldn't just be mashed together, because it just creates friction. And should a small culture find itself isolated within a large culture, this gets even worse. Sometimes, different groups of people are better of being separate from others. This is why nationalism is important. This is why the typical liberal version of "multiculturalism" does not work.

Here we actually get to the root of the problem- people who feel out of place in a country they call home, being told a siren's song from the lands of their parents of a heritage they might actually recognize. Sure, we could kill the sirens, but these days such songstresses exist across the internet, so we could never get to them all. We could eradicate those who feel disenfranchised, and use it as an example to others who might follow a similar path, but wouldn't that make them feel more like outsiders than before? If they are foreigners due to a lack of shared culture, history, and language, have you considered challenging them on a cultural front? Maybe this whole crisis speaks to a lack of cultural pride and patriotism across your entire nation, which is starting to show in second and third generation immigrants who still feel like foreigners?

Maybe this whole crisis is nothing but a symptom of an even larger one, not fought in the minds of foreigners but all of your countrymen?

Perhaps you can come up with some examples? Everything encompasses a lot of things, after all.