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Phmcw

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Re: Atheism Redux [READ THE FIRST POST]
« Reply #2670 on: January 28, 2011, 04:56:55 pm »

Er guys, what are you talking about. those are not approximation (except for constants, but who give a fuck about constants).
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« Reply #2671 on: January 28, 2011, 04:57:14 pm »

Nope in science that is a common mistake.
Sorry, bt science puts everything on a scale between true and false, and nothing is at either ends. We just accept things as being statisticaly true or false, but never compleatly true of false. Newtonian physics is a good example of why. The shape of the earth is another example.

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« Reply #2672 on: January 28, 2011, 05:15:11 pm »

Even finding the constant for gravity is tough... you have differences in air pressure/density when dealing with fall rates.  Granted, most of this is eliminated with Vacuum chambers, but what if some magnetic force is interacting with it?  Solar flare?
It's not too hard to measure.  It's more that it varies everywhere.  Take the "school textbook" value, 9.8.  It's true that you can round it off to 9.8 wherever you are in the world.  However, you cannot go to any more significant figures unless you specify where you are.  My gravitational constant is gonna be slightly different than yours.

I'm expecting an explanation, not an estimate. Admittedly, we've got nothing better than an estimate, but I'm not going to settle for it.
Well, you get that too with further research.  Like we have both an (extremely accurate) estimate as to the resistivity of copper, and a strong explanation for why it is that value.
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« Reply #2673 on: January 28, 2011, 05:18:48 pm »

Leaf, they meant gravitational constant(G), not gravitational acceleration on the Earth's surface(g).
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« Reply #2674 on: January 28, 2011, 05:22:06 pm »

I am sad that nobody wants to share their religious experiences.

Who wants to share their atheistic experiences?
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« Reply #2675 on: January 28, 2011, 05:25:17 pm »

Oh, right.  We've been sloppily calling it that in maths.

Who wants to share their atheistic experiences?
Oh man, I have these amazing atheistic experiences every single night.
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« Reply #2676 on: January 28, 2011, 05:26:38 pm »

I am sad that nobody wants to share their religious experiences.

Who wants to share their atheistic experiences?
Since I converted to atheism, I'm not afraid of afterlife anymore.
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« Reply #2677 on: January 28, 2011, 06:19:59 pm »

I am sad that nobody wants to share their religious experiences.

Who wants to share their atheistic experiences?
Since I converted to atheism, I'm not afraid of afterlife anymore.
Same here!
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« Reply #2678 on: January 28, 2011, 06:22:50 pm »

I am sad that nobody wants to share their religious experiences.

Who wants to share their atheistic experiences?
Since I converted to atheism, I'm not afraid of afterlife anymore.
Since I "converted" to my religion, I'm not afraid of the afterlife anymore either.
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« Reply #2679 on: January 28, 2011, 06:44:33 pm »

Well, you get that too with further research.  Like we have both an (extremely accurate) estimate as to the resistivity of copper, and a strong explanation for why it is that value.
No you don't, the premise is wrong. Eventually you're going to run up against physical limits beyond which there is no measuring. You may believe there's nothing beyond that point, because it's unmeasurable, but we've passed many of those points (where we believed there wasn't anything smaller) already within Science. Eventually, we'll have to continue without it.
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« Reply #2680 on: January 28, 2011, 06:49:01 pm »

Why is measuring so important to you?
The most important part of physics is, in my opinion, modelization. <== help is that an English word?
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« Reply #2681 on: January 28, 2011, 07:07:44 pm »

Wait, we'll have to continue without what? Measuring? Theoretical limits? Research? Science?
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« Reply #2682 on: January 28, 2011, 07:15:49 pm »

Since I converted to atheism, I'm not afraid of afterlife anymore.

Ditto here. Life is good, and death is peace, and all that.

@Siquo: Apologies if I'm misunderstanding, but when you say "continue without it" what is the "it?"
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« Reply #2683 on: January 28, 2011, 07:19:14 pm »

I'm as secular as they come, but I don't really think "death is peace" follows. In death, there's not even any context within which to state that there is peace.
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« Reply #2684 on: January 28, 2011, 07:28:30 pm »

I'm as secular as they come, but I don't really think "death is peace" follows. In death, there's not even any context within which to state that there is peace.

It's hard to explain what I mean, besides the 'peace' of the time before you were born. Utter non-existance without any thought, hope, fear, pain, ect. More 'at eternal rest' sort of peace.
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