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[Shambling Zombie]

Well, that is a lie, I do beleive 100% in a god. Although that is going by my definition of god, not the vast majority of people. I define god as 'the collective will and morals of everybody within a specific church', therefor if your going to define god after something that exists, it's hard to say it dosn't exist.

That's true, in a way. Then again, I am immortal from that point of view, since I am made of matter present at the 'beginning' of the universe, and long after the last of humanity dies the matter that makes up my body will remain (albiet taking innumerable different forms over the eons).

Still, not exactly the immortality one would hope for, if one ever wanted such a horrible idea as living forever.

 

[Max White]

That's true, in a way. Then again, I am immortal from that point of view, since I am made of matter present at the 'beginning' of the universe, and long after the last of humanity dies the matter that makes up my body will remain (albiet taking innumerable different forms over the eons).

Still, not exactly the immortality one would hope for, if one ever wanted such a horrible idea as living forever.

Yes, it is reletivly easy to be right when you change what words mean. For that reason, rather then debating definitions to as fine a point as possible, I try to roll with a common definition, unless of corse, it is definition itself that is up for debate.

[G-Flex]

Well, that is a lie, I do beleive 100% in a god. Although that is going by my definition of god, not the vast majority of people. I define god as 'the collective will and morals of everybody within a specific church', therefor if your going to define god after something that exists, it's hard to say it dosn't exist.

That's true, in a way. Then again, I am immortal from that point of view, since I am made of matter present at the 'beginning' of the universe, and long after the last of humanity dies the matter that makes up my body will remain (albiet taking innumerable different forms over the eons).

Still, not exactly the immortality one would hope for, if one ever wanted such a horrible idea as living forever.

In other words, you aren't immortal; the matter/energy making up your body is. I mean, if I build a chair and then grind it up into sawdust, I'm not going to say the chair still exists, just a bunch of sawdust that once composed one.

[Shambling Zombie]

Well, yeah. I was just changing the definition of immortal to make it something to make it true. If God is the collective will and morals of a group of people, then God is real. I don't think that's what most people are speaking of when they say 'God', though, they generally mean an omnipotent creator deity.

Just as if someone talks about immortality, they're generally not talking about merely the specks of their matter and energy lingering after they are dead.

[GamerKnight]

Well, yeah. I was just changing the definition of immortal to make it something to make it true. If God is the collective will and morals of a group of people, then God is real. I don't think that's what most people are speaking of when they say 'God', though, they generally mean an omnipotent creator deity..

But is this God? Depending on the group this 'God' could easily be Satan. I like the idea that you create your own god, that if you believe a religion, then that makes it real. In a similar thread on a different forum I heard the idea that everything is an illusion and all we see is our body's attempt to make sense of the world. God, religion and the like could be another filter, or sense that our bodies and minds use to percieve the universe.

[Shambling Zombie]

How we view the world is certainly not a complete picture of the actual state of things. A lot of the light spectrum is outside our ability to perceive, there is a lot of sound above or below our range of hearing and the many things are on a scale far too vast or too tiny for us to be able to study (at this time, anyway).

However, if religion is another way of perceiving the universe, it seems strange that we have so many different, mutually exclusive religions.

[GamerKnight]

Because all humans minds are different, but there are similarities.

[Shade-o]

So, who's had a divine experience AND won't say "It's personal"?

[Max White]

So, who's had a divine experience AND won't say "It's personal"?

Ray Comfort will tell you that eating a banana is a divine experience.

[Siquo]

So, who's had a divine experience AND won't say "It's personal"?

Isn't all experience personal?

[Shade-o]

To clarify, will not refuse to share any of the details of said experience on the basis of it being personal.

[G-Flex]

So, who's had a divine experience AND won't say "It's personal"?

Ray Comfort will tell you that eating a banana is a divine experience.

And he's got Kirk Cameron to back him up!

[GamerKnight]

True, people do like to say that religion is a personal matter, until something happens that makes them believe it with a fervor, and then suddenly everyone needs to know about their religion.

P.S. The whole Jehovah's Witness knocking on doors to tell you about the good word is a myth. Just saying.

[Siquo]

To clarify, will not refuse to share any of the details of said experience on the basis of it being personal.

There's loads of examples of those.
If you mean "not subjective", that's impossible. See also here.

Ninjafakeedit: Jehova's do knock on doors. I knew someone whose mother used to do that.

[Il Palazzo]

Ninjafakeedit: Jehova's do knock on doors. I knew someone whose mother used to do that.

Ayup. Sure they do. I've been having visits from the same bunch of JW prosyletizers for the last ten years or so. They just never give up.