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[Farmerbob]

Theists believe in a god.  Atheists do not.  Agnostics do not believe or disbelieve.

These aren't actually the definitions you provided.

Atheism and Agnosticism have almost NOTHING in common.

Then you don't know what the words mean, and apparently refuse to see what they mean even after it's been explained to you about a half-dozen times. I suggest you stop trying to argue the point. It's a dead horse, and its legs were broken to begin with.

Let's see, we aren't allowed to use dictionary definitions because we need to use foofoo from Doctor Fantastic's big guide to religion.

So let's go to the basic roots of the words, which I absolutely defy you to refute.

Almost everyone here understands what a prefix is, I hope, so I won't go into it in terrible detail:

Gnosis (the greek root not the religion) refers to knowledge.  Agnostic refers to a lack of knowledge.

Theism refers to belief in a deity, Atheism refers to a lack of belief in a deity.

These two terms are NOT interchangeable in any way, shape, or form.

[ECrownofFire]

Here's a mental exercise

Lets assume there is a god who is fully in control of our universe in a similar way to the Christian/Muslim/Jewish God.

How then do we justify the day to day happenings of earth?
I.E. how is is possible for him to stand aside and let us kill/rape/torture/pillage.

Not every god has to be good

Theists believe in a god.  Atheists do not.  Agnostics do not believe or disbelieve.

These aren't actually the definitions you provided.

Atheism and Agnosticism have almost NOTHING in common.

Then you don't know what the words mean, and apparently refuse to see what they mean even after it's been explained to you about a half-dozen times. I suggest you stop trying to argue the point. It's a dead horse, and its legs were broken to begin with.

Let's see, we aren't allowed to use dictionary definitions because we need to use foofoo from Doctor Fantastic's big guide to religion.

So let's go to the basic roots of the words, which I absolutely defy you to refute.

Almost everyone here understands what a prefix is, I hope, so I won't go into it in terrible detail:

Gnosis (the greek root not the religion) refers to knowledge.  Agnostic refers to a lack of knowledge.

Theism refers to belief in a deity, Atheism refers to a lack of belief in a deity.

These two terms are NOT interchangeable in any way, shape, or form.

Agnostics don't believe or disbelieve. Atheists don't believe. There is overlap there.

[Shambling Zombie]

Theists believe in a god.  Atheists do not.  Agnostics do not believe or disbelieve.

These aren't actually the definitions you provided.

Atheism and Agnosticism have almost NOTHING in common.

Then you don't know what the words mean, and apparently refuse to see what they mean even after it's been explained to you about a half-dozen times. I suggest you stop trying to argue the point. It's a dead horse, and its legs were broken to begin with.

Let's see, we aren't allowed to use dictionary definitions because we need to use foofoo from Doctor Fantastic's big guide to religion.

So let's go to the basic roots of the words, which I absolutely defy you to refute.

Almost everyone here understands what a prefix is, I hope, so I won't go into it in terrible detail:

Gnosis (the greek root not the religion) refers to knowledge.  Agnostic refers to a lack of knowledge.

Theism refers to belief in a deity, Atheism refers to a lack of belief in a deity.

These two terms are NOT interchangeable in any way, shape, or form.

Unless you have a lack of belief in a deity based on a lack of knowledge.

[G-Flex]

Let's see, we aren't allowed to use dictionary definitions because we need to use foofoo from Doctor Fantastic's big guide to religion.

That's it. I will not have you sullying the name of Doctor Fantastic. Do you realize what he did for me and my wife when she went into premature labor? Do you? I don't think you do.

So let's go to the basic roots of the words, which I absolutely defy you to refute.

This should be fun.

Gnosis (the greek root not the religion) refers to knowledge.  Agnostic refers to a lack of knowledge.

Theism refers to belief in a deity, Atheism refers to a lack of belief in a deity.

These two terms are NOT interchangeable in any way, shape, or form.

You're right while being wrong, and that is pretty amazing. If atheism is the lack of belief in a deity (which it is), and agnosticism is the lack of knowledge of the existence of a deity, then there is extremely obvious overlap, unless you're implying that you can have a lack of knowledge of the existence of a deity while simultaneously believing in one.

FYI, nobody is saying the terms are interchangeable, just that there is overlap. Do you understand the difference?

[Farmerbob]

Here's a mental exercise

Lets assume there is a god who is fully in control of our universe in a similar way to the Christian/Muslim/Jewish God.

How then do we justify the day to day happenings of earth?
I.E. how is is possible for him to stand aside and let us kill/rape/torture/pillage.

Not every god has to be good

Theists believe in a god.  Atheists do not.  Agnostics do not believe or disbelieve.

These aren't actually the definitions you provided.

Atheism and Agnosticism have almost NOTHING in common.

Then you don't know what the words mean, and apparently refuse to see what they mean even after it's been explained to you about a half-dozen times. I suggest you stop trying to argue the point. It's a dead horse, and its legs were broken to begin with.

Let's see, we aren't allowed to use dictionary definitions because we need to use foofoo from Doctor Fantastic's big guide to religion.

So let's go to the basic roots of the words, which I absolutely defy you to refute.

Almost everyone here understands what a prefix is, I hope, so I won't go into it in terrible detail:

Gnosis (the greek root not the religion) refers to knowledge.  Agnostic refers to a lack of knowledge.

Theism refers to belief in a deity, Atheism refers to a lack of belief in a deity.

These two terms are NOT interchangeable in any way, shape, or form.

Agnostics don't believe or disbelieve. Atheists don't believe. There is overlap there.

NO.  Absolutely wrong.

Agnostics do not believe one way or the other because there is insufficient KNOWLEDGE to support or deny the hypothesis.

Atheists BELIEVE there is no god.  No proof required.

One is logical, the other is not.

[Willfor]

There's a very obvious solution to this problem, G-Flex. Farmerbob is not following the rules of the thread, and is continuing along the lines that have specifically be drawn to end this dispute. Stop talking to him, or he will simply continue to argue the same thing over and over again. And over and over again.

I never thought I would ever encounter fundamentalist agnosticism, but I was wrong!

[CoughDrop]

CoughDrop reads the majority of Farmerbob's posts in this thread.

"...D*mmit Bobbeh'!"

[Farmerbob]

There's a very obvious solution to this problem, G-Flex. Farmerbob is not following the rules of the thread, and is continuing along the lines that have specifically be drawn to end this dispute. Stop talking to him, or he will simply continue to argue the same thing over and over again. And over and over again.

I never thought I would ever encounter fundamentalist agnosticism, but I was wrong!

I have requested that all of my posts be removed because it is utterly and completely rediculous to try to say that a group of individuals who require proof before DECIDING is in any way a subset of a group of people who have already decided.

If that falsehood is maintained, then logical discourse is impossible and I want my posts removed.

[Willfor]

There's a very obvious solution to this problem, G-Flex. Farmerbob is not following the rules of the thread, and is continuing along the lines that have specifically be drawn to end this dispute. Stop talking to him, or he will simply continue to argue the same thing over and over again. And over and over again.

I never thought I would ever encounter fundamentalist agnosticism, but I was wrong!

I have requested that all of my posts be removed because it is utterly and completely rediculous to try to say that a group of individuals who require proof before DECIDING is in any way a subset of a group of people who have already decided.

If that falsehood is maintained, then logical discourse is impossible and I want my posts removed.

Cool story, bro

[CoughDrop]

My troll detector is going off the charts... Is there anything to discuss in this thread that isn't pure semantics?

[Il Palazzo]

There was that bit about Big Bang...

[Farmerbob]

One more time for posterity.

An Agnostic rejects both Theism and Atheism. Yet, for some reason some people want to say that Agnosticism is a part of Atheism.

What this means is that Agnostics by this faulty definition reject their own beliefs.  Think about that for a second please.

[fqllve]

And that part about god being weak against iron.

No wait, that was semantics too.

[G-Flex]

I suggest that we just stop circling the drain with Farmerbob, because it's not going to get us anywhere.

[Il Palazzo]

We could just rename the thread "Big Bang and Semantics thread".