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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2280 on: January 20, 2011, 02:14:02 pm »

Nope, there is a point, they're just not aware of it, nor are they even capable to understand it. There being a point to it all is my comfort.
Really?  Why would God's existance have any more purpose than your own?  I mean, I suppose a God's existance would mean you're pointless in a more complicated way, but still...
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« Reply #2281 on: January 20, 2011, 02:28:45 pm »

Yey, we may be pointless in ways we cannot understand, and cannot prove anything. ::) This whole universe has been designed to humiliate us.  >:(
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« Reply #2282 on: January 20, 2011, 03:08:16 pm »

Really?  Why would God's existance have any more purpose than your own?  I mean, I suppose a God's existance would mean you're pointless in a more complicated way, but still...

Expanding on this, purpose is subjective.  Value judgments (e.g. good and evil) are subjective.  You may value God's opinion above your own, or above all else for that matter, but it's still an opinion.  That God may reward or punish you based on your adherence to that opinion does not make it objectively true.  A king may likewise reward or punish his subjects, but I don't hear many people these days using kings as measures of objective truth.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2283 on: January 20, 2011, 03:28:57 pm »

I don't believe in punishment or rewards, that's petty human behaviour, fit for children only.

And I don't believe in "our own purpose". Nor in comparing our judgement to that of an omniscient being. You're both anthropomorphising too much.
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« Reply #2284 on: January 20, 2011, 03:33:07 pm »

I don't believe in punishment or rewards, that's petty human behaviour, fit for children only.

And I don't believe in "our own purpose". Nor in comparing our judgement to that of an omniscient being. You're both anthropomorphising too much.

I think the mere suggestion that god would have anything we might call judgment is anthropomorphizing too much.  The same goes for the notion that it has what we might call a purpose for its actions.
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« Reply #2285 on: January 20, 2011, 03:46:36 pm »

Sure, but I do believe there is something akin to a purpose, even though I can't comprehend its nature. Purpose needs intelligence: therefore there must be a God-something-thingy.
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« Reply #2286 on: January 20, 2011, 04:26:33 pm »

Sure, but I do believe there is something akin to a purpose, even though I can't comprehend its nature. Purpose needs intelligence: therefore there must be a God-something-thingy.
Purpose needs emotion... Intelligence is simply a tool to determine the purpose.  At least, IMHO. :p
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« Reply #2287 on: January 20, 2011, 04:38:10 pm »

Sure, but I do believe there is something akin to a purpose, even though I can't comprehend its nature. Purpose needs intelligence: therefore there must be a God-something-thingy.
So uh... you're the only human being capable of offering judgement on this?  Incidentally, why is a completely impossible to understand "purpose" any better than no purpose?
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« Reply #2288 on: January 20, 2011, 04:45:25 pm »

A:  There's a purpose to everything!
B:  What is it?
A:  I don't know.
B:  How do you know there is one?
A:  [insert evidence here]

Fill in the blank.  Points will be deducted for truthiness.
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« Reply #2289 on: January 20, 2011, 05:28:19 pm »

Beside you're atheist if you don't believe in a god. A purpose isn't a god.
Hell, even any superior being isn't a god either. You need other godly attribute. (and a definition of superior) .
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« Reply #2290 on: January 20, 2011, 05:37:24 pm »

Beside you're atheist if you don't believe in a god. A purpose isn't a god.
That's mainly why I say purpose is emotion driven.  Each person has different purpose and sense of purpose than each other person.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2291 on: January 20, 2011, 05:50:50 pm »

Beside you're atheist if you don't believe in a god.
Or an agnoticist. Or a nontheist.
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« Reply #2292 on: January 20, 2011, 07:27:20 pm »

Beside you're atheist if you don't believe in a god.
Or an agnoticist. Or a nontheist.

I wish people would quit wrongly thinking Agnosticism excluded Atheism when they are both a single position that often are adopted alongside the other. While there are people who claim to be "Agnostic" while referring to a ridiculous "can't know anything" position it always ends up being extremely selective in its application and as such is more of a tepid excuse than any real belief. Agnosticism itself, as it was originally conceived, is the position that we should ignore all argument over the existence of things which cannot be proven and stick to what we can know within an observable universe.

Also, nontheism IS atheism. There is only confusion because many of the people who self-identify as Atheist have been too stubborn to switch to a more accurate definition of their beliefs (instead of a single position) and butcher our language because they've become attached to the label. Admittedly I like the whole scarlet letter thing that can be done with 'A'theist, but keeping to the inaccurate label is harming the discourse. For example: See a few pages back where a single position somehow became "a belief system". *facepalm*

The different viewpoints of non-theists are too disparate and based on too limited a point to become any truly cohesive group. I guess that's also why most identify as Atheist since all that unites us is a lack of belief in whatever a divine being is supposed to be.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2293 on: January 20, 2011, 07:38:47 pm »

For example: See a few pages back where a single position somehow became "a belief system". *facepalm*
Heh, I love it when a single post of mine makes stuff like that happen.
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« Reply #2294 on: January 21, 2011, 06:06:47 am »

For example: See a few pages back where a single position somehow became "a belief system". *facepalm*
You mean the position that God exists?
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