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[Darvi]

The definition of a religion is kinda fuzzy. While any belief involving a god of sorts is a religion (unless of course it's the rejection of one, yadda yadda), what about non-theistic stuff?

[Farmerbob]

Well, weak atheism does include agnosticism, yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_and_explicit_atheism

Damn over-generalization making everything confusing.

Actual textbook Atheists are actually pretty rare in my experience, but they are generally strongly driven, and tend to prosthelytize a lot.  They will absorb any irreligious or agnostic persons or groups that are sufficiently unsure of their identity, and who hold some beliefs in common with Atheism.  It's just the way humans work, as a general population, we tend to either seek out or create groups in order to associate with like minded persons.

[Darvi]

It's just the way humans work, as a general population, we tend to either seek out or create groups in order to associate with like minded persons.

Stop making me doubt my humanity! Or rather, go on!

[Farmerbob]

Ah well, enough serious talk for me.  Time for me to go have fun blowing things up.

[Siquo]

Ah well, enough serious talk for me.  Time for me to go have fun blowing things up.

Same here. Turning the other cheek is fine and nice, but not in TF2.

[fqllve]

Actual textbook Atheists are actually pretty rare in my experience, but they are generally strongly driven, and tend to prosthelytize a lot.  They will absorb any irreligious or agnostic persons or groups that are sufficiently unsure of their identity, and who hold some beliefs in common with Atheism.  It's just the way humans work, as a general population, we tend to either seek out or create groups in order to associate with like minded persons.

I'm a strong atheist. I don't even see the point in questioning whether or not there is a deity. But I would absolutely never proselytize, and I am generally amicable towards religion. I see that it has a point and is an important part of many people's lives and there's no reason for me to attack it.

Actually, I think most of my time spent in here as been arguing against other atheists for religion.

[Darvi]

But I would absolutely never proselytize, and I am generally amicable towards religion. I see that it has a point and is an important part of many people's lives and there's no reason for me to attack it.

Same here, unless they lead crusades or condemn homosexuals and stuff I'm cool with them. No use turning some of the most influential groups against you is there?

[fqllve]

None at all really. Not to debate the existence of god at least.

Although being friendly does make some people think you're more open to conversion, which is pretty annoying.

[Andir]

None at all really. Not to debate the existence of god at least.

Although being friendly does make some people think you're more open to conversion, which is pretty annoying.

... come on in.  We have cookies!

[Darvi]

None at all really. Not to debate the existence of god at least.

Although being friendly does make some people think you're more open to conversion, which is pretty annoying.

... come on in.  We have cookies!

That's my line!

[fqllve]

Cookies? Well that changes everything!

So when's the soonest I can get baptized?

[Shade-o]

So if the only source for a particular belief is in human speculation, what makes it any more valid than any other concept ever conceived?

[fqllve]

Am I missing something? Because that seems like a complete non-sequitur.

[Leafsnail]

Basically, why are ideas about, say, God, more likely to be true than any other ideas we can come up with?  It's basically the Flying Spaghetti Monster argument.

[Siquo]

Basically, why are ideas about, say, God, more likely to be true than any other ideas we can come up with?  It's basically the Flying Spaghetti Monster argument.

I've been saying that all along.  Glad you finally agree.