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[Farmerbob]

This does make me wonder though. What would motivate an omnipotent being to stay unknown?

Would you want 6 billion people bitching at you every day, or a few hundred million people being mostly respectful?

Think about what people would do if they knew for a fact that there was a deity out there that was not only capable of helping them, but was also certain to know exactly the help they "need".

Omnicient and Omnipotent does not equate to infinite patience.  If there's a deity, it's probably healthier for the human race in general that we don't know for sure it exists, or we'd make it so mad, it would wipe us out to shut us up...

[Shades]

Atheism is not supportable scientifically. 

Is supported scientifically.

How so?

Because you don't try prove impossible statements such as the disproof of existence. Although in reality atheists are agnostic atheists the modern use of the term agnostic has more often than not been used by those who mearly don't wish to comment and atheist for those who don't believe in a higher power.

[Darvi]

Would you want 6 billion people bitching at you every day, or a few hundred million people being mostly respectful?

The most likely scenario I think. Although if I were God I would say "Hey guys, I exist, but I'm moving to Alpha centauri so you can't reach me." just to be a dick *g*

and the infidels with by ****ed by his glory whenever the time will come.

Now that's just bullying :/

Because you don't try prove impossible statements such as the disproof of existence.

Ah, I thought you meant "Atheism is supported scientifically". Yeah, this makes much more sence.

[Earthquake Damage]

The more interesting point to make, I suppose, is that if a deity is omnicient, and omnipotent, AND didn't want humans to know for certain it exists, it would already know every possible way to prove it's own existence and would have designed the universe in such a way as to make proving it's existence impossible.

This god's existence is indistinguishable from its nonexistence, so it's irrelevant.  For all practical purposes it does not exist.

"Ah, but you can't prove it doesn't!" you might say, to which I respond "So?"

[Darvi]

The more interesting point to make, I suppose, is that if a deity is omnicient, and omnipotent, AND didn't want humans to know for certain it exists, it would already know every possible way to prove it's own existence and would have designed the universe in such a way as to make proving it's existence impossible.

This god's existence is indistinguishable from its nonexistence, so it's irrelevant.  For all practical purposes it does not exist.

God is Schrödingers cat

[Shades]

God is Schrödingers cat

It wandered off after getting bored of people shoving into theoretical boxes?

[Darvi]

God is Schrödingers cat

It wandered off after getting bored of people shoving into theoretical boxes?

Pretty much.

[Andir]

Would you want 6 billion people bitching at you every day, or a few hundred million people being mostly respectful?
...
Omnicient and Omnipotent does not equate to infinite patience.

I'm sorry, but I had to laugh at that.  An all powerful being would not need patience.  Patience would simply not be a concern unless said being had a timetable to follow...

[Darvi]

Omnipatient? *shot*

[Siquo]

God is Schrödingers cat

Yeah, I argued that a while ago: if you're omnipotent, you can exist and not-exist at the same time.

Atheists who claim they withhold any belief to wait for (scientific) evidence, believe in evidence. That's a belief. Even worse, it's a religion!

[Farmerbob]

The more interesting point to make, I suppose, is that if a deity is omnicient, and omnipotent, AND didn't want humans to know for certain it exists, it would already know every possible way to prove it's own existence and would have designed the universe in such a way as to make proving it's existence impossible.

This god's existence is indistinguishable from its nonexistence, so it's irrelevant.  For all practical purposes it does not exist.

Photons were not detectable or comprehensible until a few decades ago, but I think a pretty good argument can be made that we needed them. There's nothing to say that we won't find out the same thing about a deity in a few years, or in a few thousand years.  Or maybe there is no deity, or maybe it will never allow us to know for sure if it exists.

[Leafsnail]

There's no argument to be had for atheism = religion.

* a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; "he lost his faith but not his morality"
* an institution to express belief in a divine power; "he was raised in the Baptist religion"; "a member of his own faith contradicted him"

It doesn't fit either of these at all.  Look at the second especially: atheism is not an institution, and has no kind of organisation.  It might work if you start twisting the definition of religion, but if you're allowed to do that I'm not sure why any atheists should care.

Atheist = belief has more of an argument to it.  I feel it's more the abscence of belief - after all, atheist is "without a god", not "There are no gods".

God is Schrödingers cat

Not really.  There's nothing to suggest He's in a superposition of existance or non-existance.  It's just "something we don't know and which doesn't matter in the slightest".

Atheists who claim they withhold any belief to wait for (scientific) evidence, believe in evidence. That's a belief. Even worse, it's a religion!

It does NOT fit the definition of religion in any way, shape or form.  I guess you could call it a belief, but it's one that everyone has to follow if they don't want to die almost immediately.

[Phmcw]

Aand the point that I've been trying to make is that the "god" you're speaking about have almost nothing to do with most of the gods worshiped around the world.

[Earthquake Damage]

Photons were not detectable or comprehensible until a few decades ago, but I think a pretty good argument can be made that we needed them. There's nothing to say that we won't find out the same thing about a deity in a few years, or in a few thousand years.  Or maybe there is no deity, or maybe it will never allow us to know for sure if it exists.

I responded to your specific god claim.  Don't use more general gods as a counterargument.

[Farmerbob]

There's no argument to be had for atheism = religion.

Please see part 4 of the definition of religion from www.m-w.com
Also note that there is no mention of facts in said 4th definition, so it fits Atheism quite perfectly.

Definition of RELIGION
1a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith