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[Max White]

Would it allow you to sleep at night if I were to change the phrase to "All religions stem scientific advance".

No, because that statement is still assuming the same false dichotomy, just in the opposite direction.
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I don't think you get the point of a debate. If something is wrong, you say why it is wrong, not that you refuse to debate the point because it is wrong. That is rather silly, and would mean the the affermitive team was always right no matter what, because there is a debate.

[Max White]

But without gravity we would be jettisoned into space, or more importantly we, we meaning life itself, would never have developed.

As is with Religion.

That is a rather large statment to throw out there unfounded. Man kind can live without it's magic man. Athiests do very well in life.

[Realmfighter]

But would Human Being as a creative Species exist if not for people thousands of years ago looking at the sky, asking why?

[Willfor]

But without gravity we would be jettisoned into space, or more importantly we, we meaning life itself, would never have developed.

As is with Religion.

That is a rather large statment to throw out there unfounded. Man kind can live without it's magic man. Athiests do very well in life.

You're misunderstanding him. He said it wouldn't have developed without it, not that we need it to continue.

[ECrownofFire]

Would it allow you to sleep at night if I were to change the phrase to "All religions stem scientific advance".

No, because that statement is still assuming the same false dichotomy, just in the opposite direction.

I don't think you get the point of a debate. If something is wrong, you say why it is wrong, not that you refuse to debate the point because it is wrong. That is rather silly, and would mean the the affermitive team was always right no matter what, because there is a debate.

The point itself isn't correct or false. In order to argue for either side, I either have to say that ALL religion gets in the way of scientific advancement, or NO religion gets in the way. Neither of which is true. The way you presented the statement is just wrong.

And what did the poor quote tags do to you to deserve that mutilation?

[Earthquake Damage]

Would it allow you to sleep at night if I were to change the phrase to "All religions stem scientific advance".

You should just rephrase it to "false".  If you want to stoke the fires of discussion, you need something better than an inane statement that even you claim not to believe.

I don't think you get the point of a debate. If something is wrong, you say why it is wrong, not that you refuse to debate the point because it is wrong. That is rather silly, and would mean the the affermitive team was always right no matter what, because there is a debate.

Given the statement in question, everyone will disagree.  Circle-jerking does not a debate make.

[Realmfighter]

You're misunderstanding him. He said it wouldn't have developed without it, not that we need it to continue.

Not only this, but that you will never get rid of Religion for the same reason you will never get rid of Creativity, Fear or Hate.

Its part of who we are.

[Max White]

Would it allow you to sleep at night if I were to change the phrase to "All religions stem scientific advance".

You should just rephrase it to "false".  If you want to stoke the fires of discussion, you need something better than an inane statement that even you claim not to believe.

I don't think you get the point of a debate. If something is wrong, you say why it is wrong, not that you refuse to debate the point because it is wrong. That is rather silly, and would mean the the affermitive team was always right no matter what, because there is a debate.

Given the statement in question, everyone will disagree.  Circle-jerking does not a discussion make.

I'm willing to defend the point. Once again, I don't agree with it, but I think I could atleast hold my own for a while. A gentleman must be able to stand for what he does not beleive in as much as what he does, if only for the principle of free debate.

[Max White]

You're misunderstanding him. He said it wouldn't have developed without it, not that we need it to continue.

Did we need it to go to where we are? In all reality, yes. Would we have been better off without it? Well that is an interesting idea. When cave men sat down and saw that there was wind, maybe instead of guessing magic thing did it, taking notice that it usely went in a certen direction on hot days, and the other direction on others would have put us ahead.

[Realmfighter]

But they didn't

What are you going to do? Invent time travel and tell them to stop being retarded fools?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Not only this, but that you will never get rid of Religion for the same reason you will never get rid of Creativity, Fear or Hate.

Its part of who we are.

It's not part of who I am. Creativity, Fear, and Hatered are part of every individual to some degree, but the existance of atheists shows that religion is not a intrinsic part of human behavior.

[Max White]

But they didn't

What are you going to do? Invent time travel and tell them to stop being retarded fools?

No, I'm going to debate that we would have been better off without such beleifs. If anybody can understand what a topic is, anyway. I'm thinking it isn't very likely today.

Since when was practical implication that important for a debate?

[ECrownofFire]

There's really no point in talking about what if religion never started, because the fact is, it did. There is literally nothing you can do to change that. You can theorize all you want, but it doesn't affect anything and isn't a good basis for any argument.

[KaguroDraven]

I find irony in that 'barbaric' or 'silly' and 'pagan' religions where more scientificly minded than monotheistic religions. They had a different reason for EVERYTHING they could find, and why that reason(usually a god) did such things. Monotheistic religions on the otherhand, the Abramic triad specificly, just says "God did all of this for some reason no human could possibly understnad".

[Realmfighter]

It's not part of who I am. Creativity, Fear, and Hatered are part of every individual to some degree, but the existance of atheists shows that religion is not a intrinsic part of human behavior.

Ah, but no matter how advanced we get there will still be people looking towards a higher power.