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Author Topic: Atheism Redux [READ THE FIRST POST]  (Read 187673 times)

Bauglir

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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2055 on: January 17, 2011, 10:43:02 pm »
Soo... do I need to be locking it again?
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2056 on: January 17, 2011, 10:44:40 pm »
Quote from: Bauglir on January 17, 2011, 10:43:02 pm
Soo... do I need to be locking it again?
Quick, we need a topic!
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2057 on: January 17, 2011, 10:46:23 pm »
Religen is a burdon to man kind, in that is stops scientific advance.
Who wants for and who wants against?
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« Reply #2058 on: January 17, 2011, 10:48:15 pm »
Quote from: Max White on January 17, 2011, 10:46:23 pm
Religen

This is an awesome name for a random religion generator.  That is all.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2059 on: January 17, 2011, 10:49:42 pm »
Read my personal text, I have motives for what I do!
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2060 on: January 17, 2011, 10:51:12 pm »
Quote from: Max White on January 17, 2011, 10:46:23 pm
Religen is a burdon to man kind, in that is stops scientific advance.
Who wants for and who wants against?
Not every religion. I'd appreciate it if you didn't generalize all of them.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2061 on: January 17, 2011, 10:52:30 pm »
Can I sign you up for against then? Sounds like you have a ripping arrgument there!
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2062 on: January 17, 2011, 10:53:22 pm »
Quote from: Max White on January 17, 2011, 10:46:23 pm
Religen is a burdon to man kind, in that is stops scientific advance.

Thats like saying gravity stops us from exploring the stars.

It's there, it's not going anywhere and well tough shit, you can do nothing to get rid of it.
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We may not be as brave as Gryffindor, as willing to get our hands dirty as Hufflepuff, or as devious as Slytherin, but there is nothing, nothing more dangerous than a little too much knowledge and a conscience that is open to debate

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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2063 on: January 17, 2011, 10:53:51 pm »
Quote from: Max White on January 17, 2011, 10:52:30 pm
Can I sign you up for against then? Sounds like you have a ripping arrgument there!
I said not every religion. I am neither for or against your false dichotomy.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2064 on: January 17, 2011, 10:55:23 pm »
Quote from: Realmfighter on January 17, 2011, 10:53:22 pm
Quote from: Max White on January 17, 2011, 10:46:23 pm
Religen is a burdon to man kind, in that is stops scientific advance.

Thats like saying gravity stops us from exploring the stars.

It's there, it's not going anywhere and well tough shit, you can do nothing to get rid of it.

And it's useful for many other purposes, not to mention certain applications can actually make exploring the stars easier!
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

Max White

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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2065 on: January 17, 2011, 10:57:21 pm »
Quote from: CrownofFire on January 17, 2011, 10:53:51 pm
Quote from: Max White on January 17, 2011, 10:52:30 pm
Can I sign you up for against then? Sounds like you have a ripping arrgument there!
I said not every religion. I am neither for or against your false dichotomy.

Ah, but if the statement is false then you must be agaist it. Also, don't be so quick to assume I support this statement myself, I chose my words to allow for a debate, not to be right.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2066 on: January 17, 2011, 11:14:55 pm »
Quote from: Max White on January 17, 2011, 10:57:21 pm
Quote from: CrownofFire on January 17, 2011, 10:53:51 pm
Quote from: Max White on January 17, 2011, 10:52:30 pm
Can I sign you up for against then? Sounds like you have a ripping arrgument there!
I said not every religion. I am neither for or against your false dichotomy.

Ah, but if the statement is false then you must be agaist it. Also, don't be so quick to assume I support this statement myself, I chose my words to allow for a debate, not to be right.
Your statement is neither correct nor false. It is assuming that a dichotomy exists. That is a logical fallacy in itself.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2067 on: January 17, 2011, 11:18:50 pm »
Quote from: CrownofFire on January 17, 2011, 11:14:55 pm
Your statement is neither correct nor false. It is assuming that a dichotomy exists. That is a logical fallacy in itself.

Would it allow you to sleep at night if I were to change the phrase to "All religions stem scientific advance".

Quote from: Realmfighter on January 17, 2011, 10:53:22 pm
Quote from: Max White on January 17, 2011, 10:46:23 pm
Religen is a burdon to man kind, in that is stops scientific advance.

Thats like saying gravity stops us from exploring the stars.

It's there, it's not going anywhere and well tough shit, you can do nothing to get rid of it.

Finaly, something to talk about, sort of.
But gravity is the thing stopping us from exploring the stars. Relitivity too, but regurdless... The topic is if the statement is true, not the implications of it being true.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2068 on: January 17, 2011, 11:20:56 pm »
Quote from: Max White on January 17, 2011, 11:18:50 pm
Quote from: CrownofFire on January 17, 2011, 11:14:55 pm
Your statement is neither correct nor false. It is assuming that a dichotomy exists. That is a logical fallacy in itself.

Would it allow you to sleep at night if I were to change the phrase to "All religions stem scientific advance".
No, because that statement is still assuming the same false dichotomy, just in the opposite direction.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #2069 on: January 17, 2011, 11:22:42 pm »
Quote from: Max White on January 17, 2011, 11:18:50 pm
But gravity is the thing stopping us from exploring the stars. Relitivity too, but regurdless... The topic is if the statement is true, not the implications of it being true.
But without gravity we would be jettisoned into space, or more importantly we, we meaning life itself, would never have developed.

As is with Religion.
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