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[Max White]

Well the space program is a rather long term program, it will take time before we get to an alien planet where, because they are not human, human rights do not apply, and therefor slavery is back in.

[Urist is dead tome]

Good point!

And this is off topic but I have, at least twice, had a dream that I was a Marine who was part of an invasion of a planet.

Like Avatar but without an alternate motive.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Well the space program is a rather long term program, it will take time before we get to an alien planet where, because they are not human, human rights do not apply, and therefor slavery is back in.

Many human rights documents use the word "people" rather than "human". I imagine we will have learned enough from our past mistakes by that point to not repeat them, and just declare that "people" means "sapients" rather than "humans". In any case, we need not find alien life anyway. I would say that for now, terraforming Earth's moon and Mars are good long-term goals. I recall a NASA estimate claiming that if we were to start right now, we could give Mars a breathable atmosphere by 2098.

[Max White]

So we already have the legal architecture to take care of cival rights in the case of alien slavery?

Well thats my 20 year plan out the window.

[Shade-o]

Remember when we talked about Atheism? That was fun. I'm missing it so hard right now.

[malimbar04]

Looking at my normal morning websites, and this gem popped up. It's reasons like this that I try to be vocal about atheism.

http://friendlyatheist.com/2011/01/04/dave-silverman-talking-about-the-religious-scam-with-bill-oeilly/

[Andir]

So we already have the legal architecture to take care of cival rights in the case of alien slavery?

Well thats my 20 year plan out the window.

I'm pretty sure the "Human" part of Human Rights is considered to be any intelligent being at this point in time.  I'm sure though that you are one of those people who thinks if we repeal the 13th Amendment that people will start selling others into slavery.  I think we've moved beyond that point in our society.  (Sure, there still are people in servitude in parts of the wold, but I'm almost 98% sure that the "Western World" would not go back down that road.)

Also, we don't "enslave" the monkeys and make them build us cars, so why would you think we'd do that to an alien life-form?

[Il Palazzo]

Looking at my normal morning websites, and this gem popped up. It's reasons like this that I try to be vocal about atheism.

http://friendlyatheist.com/2011/01/04/dave-silverman-talking-about-the-religious-scam-with-bill-oeilly/

Oh my. "Tide goes in tide goes out. You can't explain that."
Too bad he really couldn't, as I wonder how would Mr.O'Reilly react.
Other than that, it's really scary.

[Siquo]

(Sure, there still are people in servitude in parts of the wold, but I'm almost 98% sure that the "Western World" would not go back down that road.)

Commendable, but naive. This stuff still happens a lot in Western countries, especially with illegal immigrants.

[Andir]

(Sure, there still are people in servitude in parts of the wold, but I'm almost 98% sure that the "Western World" would not go back down that road.)

Commendable, but naive. This stuff still happens a lot in Western countries, especially with illegal immigrants.

Got a source for that?

[malimbar04]

(Sure, there still are people in servitude in parts of the wold, but I'm almost 98% sure that the "Western World" would not go back down that road.)

Commendable, but naive. This stuff still happens a lot in Western countries, especially with illegal immigrants.

Got a source for that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery
"the number of slaves today remains as high as 12 million to 27 million"

Edit: oh wait, that's in the world. hmm...
http://www2.palmbeachpost.com/moderndayslavery/

[Urist is dead tome]

That president of that atheist place really came off as a jerk. At least in my opinion.

[malimbar04]

That president of that atheist place really came off as a jerk. At least in my opinion.

You're welcome to your opinion, but remember he's facing off against Bill O'Reilly. He could only get in a few words (which he probably practiced saying before he went on the show), and then he had to fight for the entire interview on whether he was insulting people, while he is simultaneously being loudly insulted.

[Urist is dead tome]

Oh yeah Bill was being a jerk too. And I am probably being biased against the guest too.

I just think it's kinda hard to claim that all religion is a scam and still say you're not insulting anyone.

[malimbar04]

Oh yeah Bill was being a jerk too. And I am probably being biased against the guest too.

I just think it's kinda hard to claim that all religion is a scam and still say you're not insulting anyone.

Yeah, I do agree with that. Of course I don't really know any polite way to put it. Do you know of a polite way of saying "everything you believe is a lie, and a lot of the members of your organization don't believe it"?