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« Reply #1635 on: January 03, 2011, 02:01:45 pm »

The possibility that we are still on the "seventh" day I think is preposterous. The creation itself might have taken billions of years. Billions of years may have passed. I just think no way we're still on the "seventh" day

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« Reply #1636 on: January 03, 2011, 03:42:40 pm »

So yeah, there's many varieties of Creationism, and only one accepted Scientific explanation. Now, if we take the view that Genesis was not literal (or at least, the people at the time had no idea what the concept of "Day" means to a timeless God), and it might've taken a long time instead of 7 days, where's the argument against that?
It's out of order, chronologically speaking?  I mean, you can see that looking at the fossil record.

Or, alternatively, with enough skilful manipulation, you can turn anything into a metaphor about anything else.
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« Reply #1637 on: January 03, 2011, 05:41:14 pm »

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« Reply #1638 on: January 03, 2011, 05:46:18 pm »

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« Reply #1639 on: January 03, 2011, 06:11:53 pm »

I showed it to my English teacher and he laughed and ignored it.
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« Reply #1640 on: January 03, 2011, 10:25:56 pm »

I showed it to my English teacher and he laughed and ignored it.

Either your English teacher is cool and already understands, or else he is like all of mine have been and yours will not be fun classes because he really does think Everyone Is Jesus In Purgatory.
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« Reply #1641 on: January 04, 2011, 05:11:15 am »

Well, that's a hard balance to find. Do you read everything at face value, or do you "read between the lines", and run the risk that you read more into the story than was actually intended? In the first case, you miss out on a lot, in the second, you get a lot more than you might've bargained for.

But I can be reasonably sure that "Jesus" is an allegory for "Jesus" in the bible.
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« Reply #1642 on: January 04, 2011, 05:15:20 am »

Well, that's a hard balance to find. Do you read everything at face value, or do you "read between the lines", and run the risk that you read more into the story than was actually intended? In the first case, you miss out on a lot, in the second, you get a lot more than you might've bargained for.

But I can be reasonably sure that "Jesus" is an allegory for "Jesus" in the bible.

Actually there is (oo er) a thought, what could you possible read into something like jesus, is it possible to find some other meaning in Jesus?
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« Reply #1643 on: January 04, 2011, 05:21:35 am »

Well, there's people who think he's actually a Part of God. I don't.
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« Reply #1644 on: January 04, 2011, 05:31:10 am »

Well, there's people who think he's actually a Part of God. I don't.

Woah, isn't that a central tenet of Catholic faith? That God, Jesus and The Holy spirit are separate but also the same?? It's interesting, I've never encountered someone with your view before :)
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« Reply #1645 on: January 04, 2011, 05:41:00 am »

Woah, isn't that a central tenet of Catholic faith? That God, Jesus and The Holy spirit are separate but also the same?? It's interesting, I've never encountered someone with your view before :)
Yeah, but I'm no catholic. The whole Jesus-is-God trinity thing was created more than 300 years after he died, and there's still a lot of non-trinitarians out there.
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« Reply #1646 on: January 04, 2011, 05:44:11 am »

But I can be reasonably sure that "Jesus" is an allegory for "Jesus" in the bible.

That is debatable. Almost as much as saying 'god is an allegory for 'god'.

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« Reply #1647 on: January 04, 2011, 05:48:59 am »

Perhaps it's just a collection of funny memes and the original bible was just a big book of really good inside jokes, like a paper tvtropes.
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« Reply #1648 on: January 04, 2011, 05:51:38 am »

It is possible.

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« Reply #1649 on: January 04, 2011, 05:57:27 am »

More along the lines of this
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