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[Urist is dead tome]

And that is the problem of Christianity these days. "As long as you go to church then you're OK." is the general attitude.

And I don't like it. People have gone so far as to say that if you don't got to church the you will go to hell.

I really don't like it.

[Il Palazzo]

To quote a great internet super star, one of my few heros, (Toady, threetoe, Tossgirl and a girl on DA being the others)
"One in ten christians has ever read the bible"

Now he got this sorce from christan websites. You can look up the youtube channel if you want, its entertaining and eduational. If so few have read the bible, then who realy cares what it says? As long as the one a week hour long ceramony says be nice, then what else matters?

Well, there are still the extremists to worry about.

[Urist is dead tome]

Like me!

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I think you are using that quote in the wrong context.

Do you have any examples of laws in the New Testament that aren't applicable today?

Matthew-10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Matthew-13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

Matthew 18:8-9 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

[Max White]

I love extremists! They know there beleifs are right, no matter what. Why as long as they know that something is wrong, they will never be lulled into doing it. The problem is that most 'extremists' that you hear about are terrorists on the news, so the word has gotten a bad reputation.

[Urist is dead tome]

Those don't really sound like laws.

I love extremists! They know there beleifs are right, no matter what. Why as long as they know that something is wrong, they will never be lulled into doing it. The problem is that most 'extremists' that you hear about are terrorists on the news, so the word has gotten a bad reputation.

Ya know you're right!

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Those don't really sound like laws.

Jesus didn't really set anything that counts as a traditional law. If you want to be literal, the Pharisees had Jesus killed for being a heathen to their faith.

[Urist is dead tome]

I thought it was the Romans.

Anyway then I guess there are no laws of the New Testament simply advice.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The Romans did the deed physically, but the Pharisees were the ones who persuaded them to do so.

[alfie275]

I havent been reading this whole thread, but I noticed irriducible complexity was mentioned and thought you might find this interesting:
http://www.stellaralchemy.com/ice/index.php

[Urist is dead tome]

What is that thing anyway?

It seems to be nothing.

Is it anything?

[Il Palazzo]

I havent been reading this whole thread, but I noticed irriducible complexity was mentioned and thought you might find this interesting:
http://www.stellaralchemy.com/ice/index.php

I'm pretty sure it had been posted here already.

edit: ah, it was you, only in the previous thread!

[Bauglir]

Basically every example of irreducible complexity that has ever been brought forth can be demonstrated to have a plausible evolutionary origin, and even the basic concept of evolution producing complicated, specialized structures is sound (as demonstrated by that link). Basically, "Irreducible Complexity proves Evolution wrong!" is code for "I don't actually know a lot about evolution, but I think I do."

EDIT: I should make clear that I am always happy to see people who are willing to admit that conclusion was premature. Seriously, I have a ton of respect for people who are willing to consider new evidence and revise their understanding of the world to account for it. It's difficult, regardless of one's opinions on faith, and I applaud anyone who can do it. I also sometimes need to be a bit better at it. But this particular issue bugs me, because it's one that is never brought forth by people who both understand what evolution claims happened and understand the mechanisms by which evolution is claimed to operate, because it really just isn't defensible.

[Max White]

Are we doing the evolution debate now? Cool!
Do we have any creationists here to provide counter points? I would, but I have no idea what they see in "There was always every species ever, it's just that mammels only started to die at a certain point in time, and thats why before that there were only reptile fossels!" The arguments just allude me.

[Urist is dead tome]

I think I will play the part of the creationist here.

So get started.